1 00:01:56,160 --> 00:02:01,400 ["Kyrie (Vidala-Baguala)" plays by Mercedes Sosa] 2 00:02:04,480 --> 00:02:06,879 ♪ Lord, ♪ 3 00:02:06,880 --> 00:02:13,240 ♪ have mercy on us. ♪ 4 00:02:16,880 --> 00:02:19,839 ♪ Lord, ♪ 5 00:02:19,840 --> 00:02:26,640 ♪ have mercy on us ♪ 6 00:02:30,080 --> 00:02:32,679 ♪ Lord, ♪ 7 00:02:32,680 --> 00:02:39,239 ♪ have mercy on us. ♪ 8 00:02:39,240 --> 00:02:45,000 ♪ Have mercy, Lord. ♪ 9 00:02:47,760 --> 00:02:54,760 ♪ Have mercy on us. ♪ 10 00:03:07,000 --> 00:03:11,480 [melancholic guitar music] 11 00:03:40,080 --> 00:03:42,920 [drone drone] 12 00:03:45,000 --> 00:03:50,520 ♪ Have mercy, Lord. ♪ 13 00:03:52,760 --> 00:03:56,960 ♪ Have mercy ♪ 14 00:03:57,720 --> 00:04:02,280 ♪ of us. ♪ 15 00:04:10,960 --> 00:04:13,840 [music stops] 16 00:04:21,520 --> 00:04:22,840 [whistle in the distance] 17 00:04:30,120 --> 00:04:35,240 [children scream] 18 00:04:53,360 --> 00:04:54,600 [murmurs] Oh, girl! 19 00:04:55,640 --> 00:04:57,920 [children's screams continue] 20 00:05:00,880 --> 00:05:02,000 [whistle] 21 00:05:02,560 --> 00:05:04,874 [unintelligible dialogue] 22 00:05:05,920 --> 00:05:09,280 [microphone interference] 23 00:05:20,040 --> 00:05:22,440 [microphone coupling] 24 00:05:29,600 --> 00:05:32,520 [unintelligible dialogue over loudspeakers in the distance] 25 00:05:37,480 --> 00:05:40,000 [microphone coupling] 26 00:05:55,960 --> 00:05:58,679 [Kassar] We are gathered in this oral trial 27 00:05:58,680 --> 00:06:00,799 that the province of Tucumán continues 28 00:06:00,800 --> 00:06:03,399 against Messrs. Gómez, Luis Humberto, 29 00:06:03,400 --> 00:06:06,360 Valdivieso Sassi, Eduardo José del Milagro, 30 00:06:07,000 --> 00:06:08,640 and Amin, Darío Luis, 31 00:06:09,160 --> 00:06:13,720 on qualified homicide in degree of attempt and real competition 32 00:06:14,240 --> 00:06:17,400 and for illegal possession of firearms. 33 00:06:19,280 --> 00:06:22,759 Mr. Gómez, Luis Humberto, come in, please. 34 00:06:22,760 --> 00:06:24,280 They already placed the chair for him. 35 00:06:28,000 --> 00:06:30,120 - Do you have children? - Yes, three. 36 00:06:30,880 --> 00:06:33,760 - What ages? - Adults, all. 37 00:06:35,080 --> 00:06:38,320 - Do you have any addiction? - None. 38 00:06:38,880 --> 00:06:41,999 - Do you drink alcoholic beverages? - I don't smoke, I don't drink, I don't take drugs. 39 00:06:42,000 --> 00:06:44,159 - Do you have other pending cases? - None. 40 00:06:44,160 --> 00:06:45,799 - Any conviction? - None. 41 00:06:45,800 --> 00:06:47,839 - No case pending? - None. 42 00:06:47,840 --> 00:06:49,240 Very good. 43 00:06:49,880 --> 00:06:51,160 Dario Luis Amin. 44 00:06:51,880 --> 00:06:54,040 - [Kassar] How old are you, sir? - Forty-five. 45 00:06:55,640 --> 00:06:56,760 What do you do for a living? 46 00:06:57,400 --> 00:06:59,639 [Amin] Employee of the Honorable Legislature. 47 00:06:59,640 --> 00:07:00,705 [Kassar] What do you work on? 48 00:07:01,280 --> 00:07:03,160 In Historical Heritage. 49 00:07:03,960 --> 00:07:06,720 Eduardo José del Milagro Valdivieso Sassi. 50 00:07:07,520 --> 00:07:08,800 [Kassar] What do you do? 51 00:07:10,040 --> 00:07:12,120 I am a retired police officer and I am a farmer. 52 00:07:12,640 --> 00:07:15,799 - Do you have other pending criminal cases? - I don't have any pending cases. 53 00:07:15,800 --> 00:07:18,480 - Any previous convictions? - [Sassi] Neither. 54 00:07:22,400 --> 00:07:25,479 [Gómez] Maybe it is necessary let me clarify a little 55 00:07:25,480 --> 00:07:29,279 what is the historical connection What do I have with both people? 56 00:07:29,280 --> 00:07:32,160 that accompany me as defendants in the case. 57 00:07:33,960 --> 00:07:37,960 With Valdivieso we were colleagues in the police institution. 58 00:07:39,240 --> 00:07:41,399 Here many have a friend that goes everywhere with him. 59 00:07:41,400 --> 00:07:43,799 That's a friend that goes everywhere with me. 60 00:07:43,800 --> 00:07:46,799 In cafes, anywhere, He was always my friend, 61 00:07:46,800 --> 00:07:48,000 so I invited him. 62 00:07:49,800 --> 00:07:52,680 I must have known him 20 years ago to Darío Amín. 63 00:07:53,920 --> 00:07:58,880 Then we started a relationship beyond personal connection. 64 00:07:59,720 --> 00:08:04,119 It consisted of collaborating with certain money, certain capital, 65 00:08:04,120 --> 00:08:07,320 for a mining venture which was in development. 66 00:08:08,840 --> 00:08:10,799 That day we went with a camera 67 00:08:10,800 --> 00:08:14,000 because we went to take photos what we needed to do... 68 00:08:16,120 --> 00:08:20,999 to open the mining footprint, and what materials... 69 00:08:21,000 --> 00:08:23,959 If we were going to need a bulldozer, what would we need 70 00:08:23,960 --> 00:08:27,000 to open it again because many years had passed. 71 00:08:27,628 --> 00:08:29,079 [Sassi] And they started taking photos of us. 72 00:08:29,080 --> 00:08:32,707 And these people? They are from here, from the area, locals. 73 00:08:32,708 --> 00:08:34,720 They had a photo machine and they took us out, and I say: 74 00:08:34,721 --> 00:08:37,960 "They are taking photos of the patent, "What is that due to?" 75 00:08:38,600 --> 00:08:40,195 And they tell me like this, 76 00:08:40,196 --> 00:08:42,799 who were from the native peoples, supposedly, 77 00:08:42,800 --> 00:08:46,440 and they wanted to take over a property which was supposedly from Amin. 78 00:08:47,000 --> 00:08:50,160 I backed away, I avoided conflict, 79 00:08:50,720 --> 00:08:54,879 I went down with Darío and there, They surround us, they attack us. 80 00:08:54,880 --> 00:08:58,400 They clearly attack me, I felt death there. 81 00:08:59,680 --> 00:09:03,995 They never realized that behind me I have a mother and two children. 82 00:09:03,996 --> 00:09:06,319 They came out to talk about the murderer, 83 00:09:06,320 --> 00:09:08,279 They came out to talk about the murderer, 84 00:09:08,280 --> 00:09:10,279 They came out to talk about the murderer. 85 00:09:10,280 --> 00:09:12,120 And I had no judgments yet. 86 00:09:12,640 --> 00:09:15,800 And I'm not a murderer either. I was at my house. 87 00:09:16,800 --> 00:09:19,199 I'm not a criminal I am a family man. 88 00:09:19,200 --> 00:09:21,760 I am a farmer, I have children in religious school. 89 00:09:22,640 --> 00:09:24,359 And it is not as the prosecutor said, 90 00:09:24,360 --> 00:09:27,319 that I am a criminal and that I am an Attila commando. 91 00:09:27,320 --> 00:09:29,959 I have nothing to do with that. I have good friends. 92 00:09:29,960 --> 00:09:32,520 It can't be that they accuse me in a way like that. 93 00:09:33,840 --> 00:09:36,199 The prosecutor understands: why were they armed? 94 00:09:36,200 --> 00:09:39,360 And I would say: "Who forbids me that I am armed?" 95 00:09:40,680 --> 00:09:43,560 [Gómez] We, the police, We do not lose the status of police. 96 00:09:44,320 --> 00:09:48,155 I have the pride of being a retired police officer. 97 00:09:48,156 --> 00:09:50,279 I thank God that I went with a gun 98 00:09:50,280 --> 00:09:52,360 because I can be here, explaining, at least. 99 00:10:11,360 --> 00:10:12,760 [coughs in the distance] 100 00:10:19,360 --> 00:10:20,960 [engine roar on video] 101 00:10:22,360 --> 00:10:24,160 [Gómez on video] There he is recording. 102 00:10:25,240 --> 00:10:26,520 Have me again. 103 00:10:27,800 --> 00:10:29,160 [engine roar] 104 00:10:35,480 --> 00:10:36,519 [engine shuts down] 105 00:10:36,520 --> 00:10:39,919 - [Gómez] The manager, let's say? - [Andrés] No, no. There is none here. 106 00:10:39,920 --> 00:10:41,999 - [Gómez] Isn't there anyone? - [Andrés] Nobody. 107 00:10:42,000 --> 00:10:44,600 [Gómez] See you later. May you go well. 108 00:10:47,560 --> 00:10:48,600 [door opens] 109 00:10:49,120 --> 00:10:50,160 [steps] 110 00:10:51,280 --> 00:10:52,320 [door closes] 111 00:10:53,160 --> 00:10:54,640 [engine starts] 112 00:10:55,320 --> 00:10:56,840 [Amin] Put it... 113 00:10:59,440 --> 00:11:00,440 [door closes] 114 00:11:08,160 --> 00:11:09,519 [Amín] You're going to have to go down. 115 00:11:09,520 --> 00:11:10,455 - Or not? - [Gómez] What? 116 00:11:10,456 --> 00:11:13,279 - [Amín] I mean, you're going to have to... - [Gómez] No. 117 00:11:13,280 --> 00:11:15,039 - [Amín] Were you going up? - [Gómez] Yes. 118 00:11:15,040 --> 00:11:16,160 [engine roar] 119 00:11:18,880 --> 00:11:20,054 [unintelligible murmur] 120 00:11:20,600 --> 00:11:21,480 [sigh] 121 00:11:23,200 --> 00:11:26,080 [Amín] Be careful with the ravine there. 122 00:11:26,840 --> 00:11:28,759 [Gómez] You're filming, right? The faces, I mean. 123 00:11:28,760 --> 00:11:31,079 - [Amin] Yes. - [Gómez] Look at them, look at them calmly. 124 00:11:31,080 --> 00:11:32,639 [Amín] I'm looking at them. 125 00:11:32,640 --> 00:11:34,400 [engine roar continues] 126 00:11:35,120 --> 00:11:36,360 [Amín] Put the 4x4. 127 00:11:38,560 --> 00:11:41,519 - [Amín] No, they take photos. - [Valdivieso] Yes, they take photos. 128 00:11:41,520 --> 00:11:43,439 [Amín] I don't know what the photo is for, 129 00:11:43,440 --> 00:11:45,600 if no one gives them a hand in the Courts anymore. 130 00:11:48,000 --> 00:11:49,400 [unintelligible dialogue] 131 00:12:03,400 --> 00:12:05,400 [barks] 132 00:12:14,360 --> 00:12:16,360 [bird chirping] 133 00:12:34,760 --> 00:12:36,040 [drone drone] 134 00:12:40,720 --> 00:12:42,800 [drone drone] 135 00:13:03,560 --> 00:13:06,399 At this moment, it begins already in the zone, 136 00:13:06,400 --> 00:13:10,239 where the chief was murdered Javier Chocobar nine years ago, 137 00:13:10,240 --> 00:13:13,839 this special operation by Justice. 138 00:13:13,840 --> 00:13:15,559 The scientific team is located 139 00:13:15,560 --> 00:13:17,839 of Tax Investigations of the Public Ministry 140 00:13:17,840 --> 00:13:20,199 that has arranged all technical issues 141 00:13:20,200 --> 00:13:23,240 in addition to security by police personnel. 142 00:13:31,440 --> 00:13:34,599 We came this way in the Land Rover van, 18 hours. 143 00:13:34,600 --> 00:13:36,079 Dario Amin was driving. 144 00:13:36,080 --> 00:13:39,320 And I, on the right, as a companion, and behind, Valdivieso. 145 00:13:40,000 --> 00:13:42,120 Here we make the first eye contact 146 00:13:42,800 --> 00:13:44,360 with these people who were there. 147 00:13:45,080 --> 00:13:49,880 I greet you from my seat, They don't answer me and we continue. 148 00:13:52,000 --> 00:13:53,399 And when we get here, 149 00:13:53,400 --> 00:13:55,799 we find that, at the height of that stick, 150 00:13:55,800 --> 00:13:58,319 there was a gate and said: "No entry, 151 00:13:58,320 --> 00:14:00,999 Chuschagasta Community", something like that. 152 00:14:01,000 --> 00:14:04,599 I look in the rearview mirror that people were coming up behind. 153 00:14:04,600 --> 00:14:08,159 So, to the two of them, When they turn around, I tell them: 154 00:14:08,160 --> 00:14:11,399 "Don't get off, because they can understand 155 00:14:11,400 --> 00:14:13,559 that if we are three... 156 00:14:13,560 --> 00:14:15,639 "We're looking for some kind of conflict." 157 00:14:15,640 --> 00:14:17,840 So I get off absolutely alone 158 00:14:18,400 --> 00:14:20,199 and I go to meet them. 159 00:14:20,200 --> 00:14:24,399 I tell them: "Good afternoon, "Who's in charge here?" 160 00:14:24,400 --> 00:14:26,760 And with these gestures, like this. "Who's in charge here?" 161 00:14:27,360 --> 00:14:30,639 And they... Continue, please, brush past me. 162 00:14:30,640 --> 00:14:31,879 That, there. 163 00:14:31,880 --> 00:14:35,319 They tell me: "There is no manager, "This is from the community." 164 00:14:35,320 --> 00:14:37,999 Immediately, What do I say to that gesture? 165 00:14:38,000 --> 00:14:39,600 "Very good, good afternoon." 166 00:14:40,360 --> 00:14:42,920 Without doing anything at all, we turn... 167 00:14:43,480 --> 00:14:44,919 and we go back. 168 00:14:44,920 --> 00:14:46,400 And here that act ends. 169 00:14:47,680 --> 00:14:50,320 Valdivieso says: "I'm going to take a nap." 170 00:14:51,520 --> 00:14:54,040 Our intention was to enter to the mining path. 171 00:14:55,160 --> 00:14:56,719 I suggest you from that side 172 00:14:56,720 --> 00:14:58,472 because I'm going out back and forth. 173 00:15:00,160 --> 00:15:01,039 Good. 174 00:15:01,040 --> 00:15:03,880 When we observe there that there were people coming down, 175 00:15:04,440 --> 00:15:06,279 I tell Darío to start filming, 176 00:15:06,280 --> 00:15:08,039 Let me talk to them. 177 00:15:08,040 --> 00:15:10,679 And they make this gesture... I'm going to do it the other way around, stand there. 178 00:15:10,680 --> 00:15:12,360 You can see it perfectly in the video. 179 00:15:16,040 --> 00:15:18,359 Then they start forcing me for me to turn. 180 00:15:18,360 --> 00:15:21,199 The three of you go over there making those gestures. 181 00:15:21,200 --> 00:15:22,559 They are in the video. 182 00:15:22,560 --> 00:15:25,319 - Do we move like this? - Sure, exactly. 183 00:15:25,320 --> 00:15:27,320 And I tell them: "I don't want problems. 184 00:15:28,120 --> 00:15:29,839 "I'm going to report them to court." 185 00:15:29,840 --> 00:15:32,999 So he invades me like this and he says to me: "What are you going to do to me?" 186 00:15:33,000 --> 00:15:35,959 - Do it, please. - With your hands out. 187 00:15:35,960 --> 00:15:37,079 - Good. - I like it there. 188 00:15:37,080 --> 00:15:38,880 So I'm watching 189 00:15:39,440 --> 00:15:41,839 that he has a stone, I don't know what he has. 190 00:15:41,840 --> 00:15:44,000 I can't allow them to do this to me. 191 00:15:45,880 --> 00:15:49,520 So when he did that, I did something instinctive. 192 00:15:50,600 --> 00:15:52,600 - I did that. - Take... the gun. 193 00:15:54,040 --> 00:15:55,839 I'm not going to do it again. 194 00:15:55,840 --> 00:15:57,439 [laughs] 195 00:15:57,440 --> 00:15:59,639 What I did is part from training, he leaves. 196 00:15:59,640 --> 00:16:02,479 The Argentine State He trained me to do that. 197 00:16:02,480 --> 00:16:04,795 The Argentine State... 198 00:16:04,796 --> 00:16:07,120 I took out the gun and I was left with the gun down here, 199 00:16:07,720 --> 00:16:10,359 because if not, they would kill me, At least, that's what I imagined. 200 00:16:10,360 --> 00:16:13,399 I keep talking to them, I keep talking to them... 201 00:16:13,400 --> 00:16:15,640 - I keep talking to them. - [Kassar] Do you believe in God? 202 00:16:18,720 --> 00:16:22,840 Do you have any religious beliefs or any other type by which I can swear? 203 00:16:24,400 --> 00:16:26,440 Do you swear to tell the truth? Do you swear by your honor? 204 00:16:27,920 --> 00:16:29,280 Were you able to go to school? 205 00:16:31,000 --> 00:16:32,519 [Jerez] Mr. Cata, 206 00:16:32,520 --> 00:16:35,479 what relationship did you have with Mr. Chocobar? 207 00:16:35,480 --> 00:16:38,600 [Cata] Brother from mother's side from Chocobar. 208 00:16:39,440 --> 00:16:40,639 [Kassar] Where do you live? 209 00:16:40,640 --> 00:16:43,559 [Tasting] In the El Chorro area, within the territory 210 00:16:43,560 --> 00:16:45,920 of the Chuschagasta Indigenous Community. 211 00:16:47,520 --> 00:16:50,400 The quarry is in the center of this territory. 212 00:16:53,801 --> 00:16:56,439 [Andrés] Who are you, What do they have to come and get in here? 213 00:16:56,440 --> 00:16:58,240 [Gómez] The Amín are us, don't you know? 214 00:16:58,760 --> 00:17:00,719 We are the Amín. 215 00:17:00,720 --> 00:17:02,320 They have no business coming here. 216 00:17:03,360 --> 00:17:06,279 You say no, Explain to us who you are. 217 00:17:06,280 --> 00:17:08,599 - A community. - An indigenous community. 218 00:17:08,600 --> 00:17:11,079 We are asserting our right, so now you can... 219 00:17:11,080 --> 00:17:12,433 No, calm down, you calm down. 220 00:17:12,434 --> 00:17:14,799 By talking we will understand each other, If not, maybe we don't understand each other. 221 00:17:14,800 --> 00:17:17,639 That's why I say, let's talk, able we understand each other. 222 00:17:17,640 --> 00:17:19,759 If not, not in one of those. 223 00:17:19,760 --> 00:17:21,839 You know that there is a court order. 224 00:17:21,840 --> 00:17:23,399 I have no intention of harming them, 225 00:17:23,400 --> 00:17:25,399 but if I denounce what they are doing, 226 00:17:25,400 --> 00:17:26,960 We're all going to have problems. 227 00:17:29,000 --> 00:17:31,999 What are we doing? What are we doing? 228 00:17:32,000 --> 00:17:33,999 [Gómez] Master. Teacher. 229 00:17:34,000 --> 00:17:35,999 Stay cool, brother. Stay cool! 230 00:17:36,000 --> 00:17:38,799 You're not going to prep me. I'm talking to you in a good way. 231 00:17:38,800 --> 00:17:41,239 - [shot] - [Gómez] What do you think? 232 00:17:41,240 --> 00:17:42,835 [Amin struggles] 233 00:17:42,836 --> 00:17:44,319 - [screams] - [shot] 234 00:17:44,320 --> 00:17:47,200 - [screams and struggle] - [unintelligible dialogue] 235 00:17:48,640 --> 00:17:49,680 [shot] 236 00:17:52,280 --> 00:17:55,279 [unintelligible dialogue] 237 00:17:55,280 --> 00:17:57,600 [shots] 238 00:17:58,200 --> 00:18:00,239 [shots continue] 239 00:18:00,240 --> 00:18:01,439 [stones crunch] 240 00:18:01,440 --> 00:18:02,361 [shot] 241 00:18:05,160 --> 00:18:06,159 [Amin] What's going on? 242 00:18:06,160 --> 00:18:07,599 [unintelligible dialogue] 243 00:18:07,600 --> 00:18:09,520 [Amín] I'm going to piss you off, culiao! 244 00:18:12,200 --> 00:18:14,199 [unintelligible dialogue] 245 00:18:14,200 --> 00:18:15,559 [shot] 246 00:18:15,560 --> 00:18:16,760 [gasp] 247 00:18:19,280 --> 00:18:21,519 [hasty steps on cobblestone] 248 00:18:21,520 --> 00:18:23,600 [screams and struggle] 249 00:18:25,801 --> 00:18:27,692 [Gómez] Stop, teacher! 250 00:18:28,480 --> 00:18:31,200 [screams and struggles continue] 251 00:18:34,080 --> 00:18:35,920 [screams abruptly stop] 252 00:18:58,120 --> 00:18:59,480 [Hortensia] There's Javier, see? 253 00:19:05,040 --> 00:19:08,280 This is my brother and this is Javier's brother. 254 00:19:09,320 --> 00:19:11,960 That was in the city, when they were harvesting. 255 00:19:12,600 --> 00:19:13,920 They were going to peel cane. 256 00:19:16,440 --> 00:19:19,720 That one you see there is a little pencil. 257 00:19:24,000 --> 00:19:27,520 Javier showed me this, when he was in service. 258 00:19:29,000 --> 00:19:30,560 It has been in service for three months. 259 00:19:31,360 --> 00:19:32,760 Because he behaved well. 260 00:19:36,880 --> 00:19:38,960 It was fashionable. Yes. 261 00:19:39,560 --> 00:19:40,880 From sack and... 262 00:19:42,640 --> 00:19:43,720 and the glasses. 263 00:19:44,240 --> 00:19:45,479 [bird chirping] 264 00:19:45,480 --> 00:19:49,000 [Hydrangea] This is a little cockade, like a little button it was. 265 00:19:49,800 --> 00:19:51,479 Like the Argentine cockade. 266 00:19:51,480 --> 00:19:54,959 Have you seen them coming on the boys' aprons? 267 00:19:54,960 --> 00:19:56,479 [sustained chirp] 268 00:19:56,480 --> 00:19:59,080 He always had the pen there. 269 00:20:03,160 --> 00:20:05,635 Before they used a jacket... 270 00:20:05,636 --> 00:20:08,120 With a suit. [laughs] 271 00:20:10,560 --> 00:20:11,760 They went on horseback, right? 272 00:20:12,840 --> 00:20:13,760 To dance. 273 00:20:14,800 --> 00:20:18,960 Chacarera, zamba, cat, hidden, little dance. 274 00:20:19,760 --> 00:20:22,799 Mind you, there were a lot of those dances here. 275 00:20:22,800 --> 00:20:26,240 And they're still doing it. Chamamé, pasodoble. 276 00:20:27,640 --> 00:20:30,560 That girl who is dancing It was his family. 277 00:20:31,240 --> 00:20:34,480 But he was single, I didn't go out with him. [laughs] 278 00:20:37,080 --> 00:20:38,879 He ironed his handkerchief. 279 00:20:38,880 --> 00:20:42,200 The tips were coming out. Well done, right? 280 00:20:43,360 --> 00:20:45,199 Before they were pint. 281 00:20:45,200 --> 00:20:46,960 [folkloric shout in the distance] 282 00:20:48,080 --> 00:20:50,279 Everything you see is with his machine. 283 00:20:50,280 --> 00:20:51,720 [folklore music continues] 284 00:20:52,360 --> 00:20:54,039 He took photos of everything. 285 00:20:54,040 --> 00:20:56,080 [folklore music continues] 286 00:20:58,000 --> 00:21:01,000 It was a white machine. I don't remember what it was like. 287 00:21:02,200 --> 00:21:04,280 When I got married, he already had it. 288 00:21:06,360 --> 00:21:07,640 [crickets chirping] 289 00:21:11,400 --> 00:21:13,640 [Hydrangea] There is a little tree there. 290 00:21:16,880 --> 00:21:18,160 He made me call, come on. 291 00:21:18,680 --> 00:21:20,359 And my dad didn't know. 292 00:21:20,360 --> 00:21:23,560 And my dad knew how to work in the sugarcane harvest too. 293 00:21:24,360 --> 00:21:26,840 I was also going to peel cane with my mother. 294 00:21:27,560 --> 00:21:30,079 And I stayed with my brother at home. 295 00:21:30,080 --> 00:21:31,800 [flutter] 296 00:21:32,640 --> 00:21:35,000 He sent a letter with his sister. 297 00:21:36,240 --> 00:21:38,640 He told me that he was coming, he wanted to see me. 298 00:21:39,680 --> 00:21:42,160 - And there he shot. - [laughs] 299 00:21:42,680 --> 00:21:46,719 [Hortensia] We didn't even talk, I just saw myself for a little while 300 00:21:46,720 --> 00:21:49,000 and he was leaving, we didn't talk at all. 301 00:21:52,080 --> 00:21:54,320 That's when I got married, the next day. 302 00:21:56,080 --> 00:21:57,320 He was 21 years old. 303 00:21:58,120 --> 00:21:59,240 It was a little suit. 304 00:21:59,960 --> 00:22:03,559 I don't know what the fabric was called, but it was a celestial one like that... 305 00:22:03,560 --> 00:22:06,000 It wasn't thin, it was kind of thick. 306 00:22:07,560 --> 00:22:09,520 [woman] And this one, what would it be? 307 00:22:10,360 --> 00:22:12,680 No, if I knew him. 308 00:22:13,480 --> 00:22:15,360 Me and your dad. 309 00:22:20,944 --> 00:22:22,759 [Hortensia] Javier got up every morning 310 00:22:22,760 --> 00:22:24,200 and he was going to peel cane. 311 00:22:24,880 --> 00:22:27,759 Until 8 in the morning, and came, had breakfast, 312 00:22:27,760 --> 00:22:29,360 and he left again until 12. 313 00:22:30,000 --> 00:22:32,960 And at night, around 9, He was already going to sleep. 314 00:22:33,680 --> 00:22:35,960 And he got up again at two in the morning. 315 00:22:36,880 --> 00:22:37,879 He was going to peel cane. 316 00:22:37,880 --> 00:22:41,519 When the moon was clear, so yes I was going. 317 00:22:41,520 --> 00:22:44,559 But later when there was no moon, I wasn't going. 318 00:22:44,560 --> 00:22:46,080 He was leaving the next day. 319 00:22:49,160 --> 00:22:50,960 Gabriel when he was little. 320 00:22:51,600 --> 00:22:52,919 I was angry. 321 00:22:52,920 --> 00:22:55,159 He threw it there in the grass 322 00:22:55,160 --> 00:22:57,240 and just there Javier took a photo of him. 323 00:23:01,960 --> 00:23:03,640 I took photos of all the monkeys. 324 00:23:05,720 --> 00:23:07,439 [laughs from a distance] 325 00:23:07,440 --> 00:23:09,959 The women were not so much to take photos. 326 00:23:09,960 --> 00:23:11,440 The men, yes. 327 00:23:14,200 --> 00:23:16,359 "You have taken away from them the best of all," he said. 328 00:23:16,360 --> 00:23:18,679 - [laughs] - He said. 329 00:23:18,680 --> 00:23:20,040 I was fucking. 330 00:23:22,360 --> 00:23:25,000 He made those trigger guards, have you seen? 331 00:23:25,600 --> 00:23:28,120 - Halters, reins, he did everything. - [sapucai] 332 00:23:29,080 --> 00:23:30,279 They sold a lot. 333 00:23:30,280 --> 00:23:31,439 [folklore music] 334 00:23:31,440 --> 00:23:32,839 To the festival of... 335 00:23:32,840 --> 00:23:34,759 of the... how did you say? 336 00:23:34,760 --> 00:23:36,719 Festival...festival of... 337 00:23:36,720 --> 00:23:38,439 The Tradition! 338 00:23:38,440 --> 00:23:39,880 We are... 339 00:23:40,480 --> 00:23:42,440 Hope Chamamecera! 340 00:23:43,680 --> 00:23:45,639 We come from there, from above, 341 00:23:45,640 --> 00:23:47,960 from where the air is pure. 342 00:23:49,080 --> 00:23:52,120 For all of you, we bring you the rhythm of... 343 00:23:53,280 --> 00:23:55,279 chamamé! 344 00:23:55,280 --> 00:23:57,479 Start this way! 345 00:23:57,480 --> 00:24:00,319 [chamamé music] 346 00:24:00,320 --> 00:24:01,839 [music continues on video] 347 00:24:01,840 --> 00:24:04,199 [man] A sapucai over there, the gauchos! 348 00:24:04,200 --> 00:24:06,079 [sapucai] 349 00:24:06,080 --> 00:24:07,680 [Cata] That! 350 00:24:09,960 --> 00:24:11,920 [Kassar] You are Delfín Cata, Right, sir? 351 00:24:14,120 --> 00:24:15,080 [Cata] It's me. 352 00:24:15,800 --> 00:24:18,240 [Kassar] You were taking photos. And that camera? 353 00:24:20,360 --> 00:24:23,519 That was a commoner's chamber. 354 00:24:23,520 --> 00:24:25,680 - [Kassar] Oh. - A roll camera. 355 00:24:26,400 --> 00:24:28,560 [Gomez] See you later, stay well. 356 00:24:29,880 --> 00:24:31,560 [Amin] No! They take photos there... [laughs] 357 00:24:33,640 --> 00:24:35,599 [Gómez] You're filming, right? The faces, I mean. 358 00:24:35,600 --> 00:24:37,959 - [Amin] Yes. - [Gómez] Look at them, look at them calmly. 359 00:24:37,960 --> 00:24:39,279 [Amín] I'm looking at them. 360 00:24:39,280 --> 00:24:41,400 That day Darío Amín was recording. 361 00:24:42,320 --> 00:24:44,840 I was with the camera and he had a revolver. 362 00:24:47,480 --> 00:24:49,600 It's there... uncle Javier. 363 00:24:51,880 --> 00:24:53,040 There is Andrés. 364 00:24:55,120 --> 00:24:56,520 Emilio. It's me. 365 00:24:57,960 --> 00:24:59,760 And the one who comes here is Beto. 366 00:25:00,480 --> 00:25:01,519 Beto Cata. 367 00:25:01,520 --> 00:25:02,759 [engine starts] 368 00:25:02,760 --> 00:25:05,000 That's Nico, Adriana's son. 369 00:25:05,560 --> 00:25:08,559 That is Lucrecia, daughter of Delfín Cata. 370 00:25:08,560 --> 00:25:10,880 This is Francisca. 371 00:25:11,600 --> 00:25:12,840 And here is Uncle Javier. 372 00:25:13,920 --> 00:25:15,200 He's standing there. 373 00:25:16,200 --> 00:25:19,880 [Amín] I don't know what the photo is for, if no one gives them a hand in court anymore. 374 00:25:20,480 --> 00:25:22,959 By talking we will understand each other, If not, maybe we don't understand each other. 375 00:25:22,960 --> 00:25:25,719 That's why I tell you, let's talk, able we understand each other. 376 00:25:25,720 --> 00:25:27,639 Not in one of those. You know... 377 00:25:27,640 --> 00:25:29,520 [Emilio] Uncle Javier is coming there. 378 00:25:30,960 --> 00:25:32,480 The guy is coming down. 379 00:25:44,880 --> 00:25:46,639 - [shot] - [Gómez] What do you think? 380 00:25:46,640 --> 00:25:48,520 [struggling and moaning] 381 00:25:49,240 --> 00:25:50,800 [screams] 382 00:25:52,756 --> 00:25:53,679 [unintelligible dialogue] 383 00:25:53,680 --> 00:25:56,600 [shooting and struggle] 384 00:25:58,240 --> 00:25:59,800 [drone drone] 385 00:26:01,640 --> 00:26:04,440 We have been fighting with Gómez. And what I have done... 386 00:26:04,960 --> 00:26:05,801 Excuse me. 387 00:26:06,920 --> 00:26:07,761 This. 388 00:26:08,360 --> 00:26:09,639 And I grab the gun and... 389 00:26:09,640 --> 00:26:12,187 - revolt for that sector. - [man] Where was Javier? 390 00:26:13,280 --> 00:26:16,079 Javier was lying there, That's when he said: 391 00:26:16,080 --> 00:26:18,160 "Turkish son of a bitch, you shot me." 392 00:26:19,960 --> 00:26:21,280 The grotto entered, but oh well. 393 00:26:23,520 --> 00:26:25,519 Then I felt the other shot. 394 00:26:25,520 --> 00:26:26,880 Gómez was no longer with the gun. 395 00:26:27,760 --> 00:26:30,559 And there Gómez wanted to go like that. 396 00:26:30,560 --> 00:26:32,400 And there it is thrown here. 397 00:26:32,960 --> 00:26:34,120 A little further on. 398 00:26:34,880 --> 00:26:36,239 There. 399 00:26:36,240 --> 00:26:39,040 That's when Gómez has made this attempt. 400 00:26:40,440 --> 00:26:43,320 And there I throw my foot, and I throw myself like that. 401 00:26:43,880 --> 00:26:45,200 And I took out the other weapon. 402 00:26:45,840 --> 00:26:47,000 Gómez was now without a weapon. 403 00:26:48,200 --> 00:26:49,599 And I flit over there. 404 00:26:49,600 --> 00:26:50,960 For that sector. 405 00:26:51,560 --> 00:26:53,120 [thud] 406 00:26:55,360 --> 00:26:57,479 [Kassar] Say your full name, please. 407 00:26:57,480 --> 00:26:58,880 [Beto] Alberto Orlando Cata. 408 00:27:00,160 --> 00:27:02,320 - How old are you, Sir? - Twenty-two. 409 00:27:03,520 --> 00:27:06,359 - What do you do? - To athletics. 410 00:27:06,360 --> 00:27:08,399 - I don't hear it. - Athletics. 411 00:27:08,400 --> 00:27:09,960 - Athletics? - Yes. 412 00:27:12,800 --> 00:27:14,679 - Were you able to go to school? - Yes. 413 00:27:14,680 --> 00:27:17,080 - To what degree? - Secondary. 414 00:27:17,600 --> 00:27:18,960 - Complete? - Yes. 415 00:27:19,480 --> 00:27:22,440 Here I was standing when my uncle comes and passes by here. 416 00:27:23,240 --> 00:27:25,520 Then I see Amin who takes the shot from there. 417 00:27:28,266 --> 00:27:29,879 More or less... 418 00:27:29,880 --> 00:27:32,395 - [man] Was it there? - Of course, yes. 419 00:27:32,396 --> 00:27:34,120 - I continued directing everything. - [Beto] Aha. 420 00:27:35,480 --> 00:27:36,760 He came from there. 421 00:27:40,000 --> 00:27:42,800 I turn around and see it to Valdivieso, who was coming there. 422 00:27:46,280 --> 00:27:48,599 [Kassar] I wanted to point out that I have knowledge 423 00:27:48,600 --> 00:27:50,959 that the weapons are seized, that are... 424 00:27:50,960 --> 00:27:54,159 [Gargiulo] Excuse me, could you display them also to the part? 425 00:27:54,160 --> 00:27:56,199 We have never taken sight of the... 426 00:27:56,200 --> 00:27:59,000 - [Kassar] No problem. - ...of kidnapping, if we may. 427 00:27:59,720 --> 00:28:01,399 They are downloaded, Right, Mr. Secretary? 428 00:28:01,400 --> 00:28:03,764 [Kassar] Same thing, Always look down, please. 429 00:28:03,765 --> 00:28:04,879 [Gargiulo] Oh, well. 430 00:28:04,880 --> 00:28:07,559 [secretary] A Taurus pistol, 40 caliber. 431 00:28:07,560 --> 00:28:10,359 Beretta pistol, 9 millimeter caliber. 432 00:28:10,360 --> 00:28:12,360 And a revolver, 32 caliber. 433 00:28:16,600 --> 00:28:19,759 I shoot the gun and the only thing I can do 434 00:28:19,760 --> 00:28:21,999 is to run here. 435 00:28:22,000 --> 00:28:24,040 I'm going to look for him in Valdivieso. 436 00:28:27,040 --> 00:28:28,520 And I faint. 437 00:28:29,320 --> 00:28:30,760 I don't remember anything else. 438 00:28:33,840 --> 00:28:35,240 Four people, please. 439 00:28:38,320 --> 00:28:39,240 Get here. 440 00:28:41,160 --> 00:28:42,280 Stand here, another one. 441 00:28:43,840 --> 00:28:45,160 Another one back here, please. 442 00:28:47,000 --> 00:28:49,279 [Amín in video] The two of them hit me kicks in the belly. 443 00:28:49,280 --> 00:28:52,279 The one behind hit me with a stick on the head. 444 00:28:52,280 --> 00:28:55,479 It happened to me, I got up and I said, "They're going to kill me!" 445 00:28:55,480 --> 00:28:58,119 I get on and shoot in the air and I say, "Stop, police! 446 00:28:58,120 --> 00:29:00,240 "They are going to kill him, enough is enough!" 447 00:29:00,800 --> 00:29:03,520 "I am a police officer. How are they going to do that?" I say. 448 00:29:04,200 --> 00:29:06,279 I turn around, a fat man grabs me 449 00:29:06,280 --> 00:29:07,679 and he starts to strangle me. 450 00:29:07,680 --> 00:29:11,035 I was expecting a shot now, because of how they were hitting me. 451 00:29:11,036 --> 00:29:14,079 So I stay still like this and when I get up, 452 00:29:14,080 --> 00:29:17,200 I feel a silence and I drip the blood in the eyes. 453 00:29:21,360 --> 00:29:24,279 It is true that there have been blows what they have received, 454 00:29:24,280 --> 00:29:25,560 but no shots. 455 00:29:26,480 --> 00:29:29,759 we could have done the same as them, 456 00:29:29,760 --> 00:29:30,960 with the same weapons. 457 00:29:32,040 --> 00:29:33,999 But never... 458 00:29:34,000 --> 00:29:36,759 [Cata] Javier received the fatal shot, 459 00:29:36,760 --> 00:29:38,680 he lost his life there. 460 00:29:39,840 --> 00:29:43,720 And Emilio a shot that broke his shin. 461 00:29:44,880 --> 00:29:47,880 And Andrés was shot in the abdomen. 462 00:29:55,440 --> 00:29:57,839 Just as the trial began, 463 00:29:57,840 --> 00:29:59,679 started to feel bad 464 00:29:59,680 --> 00:30:02,920 and they have detected him that he had a tumor in his head. 465 00:30:03,520 --> 00:30:07,639 He wants to talk, some words come out well, but... 466 00:30:07,640 --> 00:30:11,760 cannot express what you feel, what you want to express. 467 00:30:17,480 --> 00:30:21,119 Meanwhile, We were still waiting for the trial 468 00:30:21,120 --> 00:30:23,679 to these evil-living people. 469 00:30:23,680 --> 00:30:26,079 - [Emilio] Nine years old. - [Cata] Yes, nine years. 470 00:30:26,080 --> 00:30:28,040 Until the trial took place. 471 00:30:28,640 --> 00:30:30,800 [Dolphin Cata sings folklore] 472 00:30:34,640 --> 00:30:36,040 Javier Chocobar! 473 00:30:37,360 --> 00:30:39,680 Now and always! 474 00:30:41,960 --> 00:30:44,160 [Hydrangea] Do you see that there Do you have a pen too? 475 00:30:47,920 --> 00:30:49,320 On the shirt. 476 00:30:51,720 --> 00:30:53,399 It was Manolo's birthday. 477 00:30:53,400 --> 00:30:56,959 - [folklore music] - [explosion in the distance] 478 00:30:56,960 --> 00:30:59,359 There he is, breaking the piñata. 479 00:30:59,360 --> 00:31:00,559 [laughs] 480 00:31:00,560 --> 00:31:03,839 This is Chanito, he was a boy! [laughs] 481 00:31:03,840 --> 00:31:05,480 It's Chanito. 482 00:31:06,040 --> 00:31:08,520 What was this old man's name? 483 00:31:09,160 --> 00:31:11,999 He always came. When they sometimes made iron, 484 00:31:12,000 --> 00:31:14,400 He was already with the music. 485 00:31:15,360 --> 00:31:16,720 He was a friend of Javier. 486 00:31:19,240 --> 00:31:21,960 Mariela made this one, Gabriel's lady. 487 00:31:22,760 --> 00:31:23,920 She makes cakes. 488 00:31:25,400 --> 00:31:26,479 [crickets] 489 00:31:26,480 --> 00:31:30,480 And there the whole family has gone out, Everyone wanted to take a photo. 490 00:31:31,640 --> 00:31:35,280 Javier is playing the old man's accordion. 491 00:31:36,640 --> 00:31:39,879 - [crickets] - [door opens] 492 00:31:39,880 --> 00:31:42,680 I was here when those people arrived. 493 00:31:44,000 --> 00:31:47,079 Javier says: "I'm coming back, I'm going downhill, 494 00:31:47,080 --> 00:31:48,520 because they are already there." 495 00:31:52,720 --> 00:31:54,720 And there I just felt a shot. 496 00:31:58,240 --> 00:32:01,400 I fell, I stopped, I fell, I stopped. 497 00:32:02,040 --> 00:32:04,919 I was rolling around, screaming, they say. 498 00:32:04,920 --> 00:32:06,440 And I don't remember anything. 499 00:32:09,360 --> 00:32:10,919 That "Mom, let's go home, 500 00:32:10,920 --> 00:32:13,439 No, Dad has already died," they said. 501 00:32:13,440 --> 00:32:15,280 "No," I say, "He's not dead." 502 00:32:21,400 --> 00:32:23,319 They couldn't bring me in, they couldn't take me out. 503 00:32:23,320 --> 00:32:25,320 I was there hugging him. 504 00:32:27,920 --> 00:32:29,080 [bird chirping] 505 00:32:33,360 --> 00:32:35,039 [journalist] Let's tell you this story 506 00:32:35,040 --> 00:32:38,159 that began with a brutal armed confrontation 507 00:32:38,160 --> 00:32:40,919 between two bands in the town of Chuscha, 508 00:32:40,920 --> 00:32:43,519 which belongs to the Trancas department. 509 00:32:43,520 --> 00:32:45,759 As a result, a man died 510 00:32:45,760 --> 00:32:47,799 and three people were injured. 511 00:32:47,800 --> 00:32:49,880 [TV continues in background] 512 00:32:57,320 --> 00:32:58,600 [Hansen] Why were they there? 513 00:33:03,200 --> 00:33:05,640 we were taking care of our land. 514 00:33:07,440 --> 00:33:11,960 Don't let outsiders go and remove it. 515 00:33:13,920 --> 00:33:16,920 Since when did you take care the lands in that place? 516 00:33:19,720 --> 00:33:22,560 We lived there. 517 00:33:23,360 --> 00:33:27,079 The ancestors, my grandparents, my great-grandparents. 518 00:33:27,080 --> 00:33:29,119 [Nosetti] How old are you, sir? 519 00:33:29,120 --> 00:33:30,195 [Genaro] Forty-six. 520 00:33:30,196 --> 00:33:32,600 [Nosetti] 46 years ago who take care of the lands? 521 00:33:33,160 --> 00:33:34,799 [Genaro] No, earlier, much earlier. 522 00:33:34,800 --> 00:33:37,199 [Kassar] Doctor, The prosecutor is right, please. 523 00:33:37,200 --> 00:33:39,439 - [Jerez] Not applicable. - [Kassar] Not applicable, 524 00:33:39,440 --> 00:33:43,919 Besides, he already said that he lived there since he was born, his grandparents... 525 00:33:43,920 --> 00:33:47,040 I want to know since when is it that they take care of the lands. 526 00:33:47,920 --> 00:33:50,359 [Kassar] Ask him that specifically. 527 00:33:50,360 --> 00:33:53,999 Since when do you they meet in that area 528 00:33:54,000 --> 00:33:56,200 or at the gate to take care of the land? 529 00:33:58,760 --> 00:34:00,279 [Hansen] "We didn't have weapons. 530 00:34:00,280 --> 00:34:02,839 From the first moment, we act peacefully 531 00:34:02,840 --> 00:34:05,239 to prevent them from taking a position. 532 00:34:05,240 --> 00:34:08,319 But the problem began and they started shooting. 533 00:34:08,320 --> 00:34:11,800 We must defend ourselves from that. with sticks and stones." 534 00:34:20,520 --> 00:34:21,800 The truth... 535 00:34:22,560 --> 00:34:23,959 Yes, with stones, yes. 536 00:34:23,960 --> 00:34:25,839 Because the truth is we don't... 537 00:34:25,840 --> 00:34:27,760 We didn't even have weapons, nothing. 538 00:34:30,480 --> 00:34:32,000 [Nosetti] Do you know me, sir? 539 00:34:33,480 --> 00:34:34,520 [Sebastian] No. 540 00:34:35,400 --> 00:34:37,035 [Nosetti] I want him to look at me. 541 00:34:37,036 --> 00:34:38,559 Do you know the accused? 542 00:34:38,560 --> 00:34:41,399 The ones you mentioned like Amin, the one with the white cap, 543 00:34:41,400 --> 00:34:43,280 and the gray-haired one. Do you know them? 544 00:34:44,880 --> 00:34:46,639 - Yes, to him. - [Nosetti] Who is he? 545 00:34:46,640 --> 00:34:47,959 To Dario Amin. 546 00:34:47,960 --> 00:34:49,999 And from that sector to your right, 547 00:34:50,000 --> 00:34:51,600 Are there people you know? 548 00:34:54,640 --> 00:34:57,679 [Gargiulo] The defender's question... 549 00:34:57,680 --> 00:34:59,359 [Nosetti] Relevance makes defense. 550 00:34:59,360 --> 00:35:01,479 I my defense strategy I'm not going to give it to him. 551 00:35:01,480 --> 00:35:03,639 -The question is... - [Kassar] Does no damage. 552 00:35:03,640 --> 00:35:07,040 In order not to be repetitive, do you have good eyesight? 553 00:35:08,920 --> 00:35:11,400 - [Lucrecia] Eh... How? - If you have good eyesight. 554 00:35:12,120 --> 00:35:13,399 Don't you wear glasses? 555 00:35:13,400 --> 00:35:15,120 No, I don't use. I have good eyesight. 556 00:35:16,560 --> 00:35:18,479 [Hansen] You saw Mr. Amin... 557 00:35:18,480 --> 00:35:21,359 standing, sitting, kneeling? 558 00:35:21,360 --> 00:35:23,079 He was standing. 559 00:35:23,080 --> 00:35:26,559 And when my uncle went, he pointed the gun at him 560 00:35:26,560 --> 00:35:28,559 and he fired a shot. I have seen it well. 561 00:35:28,560 --> 00:35:31,240 Who determined that Mr. Chocobar was dead? 562 00:35:35,600 --> 00:35:37,959 [Nosetti] You said you saw it to Mr. Valdivieso 563 00:35:37,960 --> 00:35:39,440 make shots 564 00:35:40,440 --> 00:35:41,800 When was that? 565 00:35:42,680 --> 00:35:46,160 At what time of everything you told? 566 00:35:48,480 --> 00:35:49,799 When some retired... 567 00:35:49,800 --> 00:35:51,519 [Kassar] More to the microphone. 568 00:35:51,520 --> 00:35:54,959 Some people were leaving, he went more or less in the direction of... 569 00:35:54,960 --> 00:35:57,560 people who were climbing... 570 00:35:58,120 --> 00:36:00,239 to exit to another path higher up. 571 00:36:00,240 --> 00:36:02,080 - [Nosetti] Towards people. - Yes. 572 00:36:02,760 --> 00:36:06,639 Do you remember declaring at the police the day after the incident? 573 00:36:06,640 --> 00:36:09,159 [man] Excuse me, I consider witness harassment 574 00:36:09,160 --> 00:36:11,519 the demonstrations of the defender. 575 00:36:11,520 --> 00:36:13,440 We are in the oral debate, 576 00:36:14,240 --> 00:36:17,039 and that is precisely what orality is, Madam President. 577 00:36:17,040 --> 00:36:21,079 May the witness, may the witnesses, can explain in detail, 578 00:36:21,080 --> 00:36:24,359 do not repeat verbatim what they said in front of a computer. 579 00:36:24,360 --> 00:36:25,879 I request the floor. 580 00:36:25,880 --> 00:36:28,759 Nothing could be further from my intention than to intimidate the witness, 581 00:36:28,760 --> 00:36:30,360 Most Excellent Court. 582 00:36:31,080 --> 00:36:34,320 In the previous statement That version of events is not there. 583 00:36:34,920 --> 00:36:37,395 I was 13 years old. It was minor. 584 00:36:37,396 --> 00:36:40,239 Therefore, from what he says now, 585 00:36:40,240 --> 00:36:42,959 not when I was younger, I'm going to request a confrontation. 586 00:36:42,960 --> 00:36:45,439 [microphone distortion] 587 00:36:45,440 --> 00:36:48,399 And I didn't raise any weapons because you took it from me 588 00:36:48,400 --> 00:36:50,759 and you took it to my gun, 589 00:36:50,760 --> 00:36:52,799 do you understand me? To the weapon, which is a gun. 590 00:36:52,800 --> 00:36:55,639 What's the gun like, let's see? If you have seen it so much. 591 00:36:55,640 --> 00:36:57,119 A small weapon. 592 00:36:57,120 --> 00:36:59,159 You are wrong, my gun is big. 593 00:36:59,160 --> 00:37:00,759 You are very wrong. My gun is big. 594 00:37:00,760 --> 00:37:02,160 It's a big gun. 595 00:37:03,200 --> 00:37:05,599 With respect, please, Mr. Valdivieso. 596 00:37:05,600 --> 00:37:08,317 - Let him treat him like that. - I haven't given him the word. 597 00:37:08,318 --> 00:37:10,740 - [Valdivieso] Excuse me, Madam President. - Respect, please. 598 00:37:10,741 --> 00:37:14,119 The weapon, let's say... It wasn't big, more or less... 599 00:37:14,120 --> 00:37:16,599 If you know the weapon... 600 00:37:16,600 --> 00:37:19,439 That the Court show him the weapons, let's see if... 601 00:37:19,440 --> 00:37:22,199 [Kassar] No, talk to him, not with the Court. 602 00:37:22,200 --> 00:37:24,999 -And when you left... - [Kassar] The confrontation is not interrupted. 603 00:37:25,000 --> 00:37:27,479 You were coming back, then I found the gun. 604 00:37:27,480 --> 00:37:28,799 To my gun? 605 00:37:28,800 --> 00:37:30,240 - Well. - To my weapon? 606 00:37:31,120 --> 00:37:32,160 Was it my gun? 607 00:37:33,000 --> 00:37:34,720 Why have you raised it? if there was another weapon? 608 00:37:35,320 --> 00:37:36,439 - Because... - Why? 609 00:37:36,440 --> 00:37:40,000 - Why would I lift it? -And why are they taking my gun? 610 00:37:40,680 --> 00:37:42,359 - As? - Why are they taking my gun away? 611 00:37:42,360 --> 00:37:43,520 the other weapon of mine? 612 00:37:44,080 --> 00:37:46,479 So that you don't get another baton like... 613 00:37:46,480 --> 00:37:48,679 Are you saying there was a gun? and I have raised it. 614 00:37:48,680 --> 00:37:50,479 And he sent me some baton, 615 00:37:50,480 --> 00:37:53,279 you supposedly say that I have raised a weapon. 616 00:37:53,280 --> 00:37:54,679 What weapon am I going to pick up? 617 00:37:54,680 --> 00:37:57,479 Do you believe that if I had found another weapon, 618 00:37:57,480 --> 00:37:59,799 I won't get it back my gun that has been stolen from me? 619 00:37:59,800 --> 00:38:01,119 Because they stole it from me. 620 00:38:01,120 --> 00:38:03,120 [drone drone] 621 00:38:13,200 --> 00:38:14,840 [Hansen] Why was he? 622 00:38:15,800 --> 00:38:17,720 I asked him why he was there. 623 00:38:19,120 --> 00:38:20,760 [Kassar] It doesn't hurt, answer. 624 00:38:21,800 --> 00:38:24,760 [Hansen] Why was he in the place you? 625 00:38:29,160 --> 00:38:30,400 Do you believe in God? 626 00:38:33,400 --> 00:38:35,840 Do you swear by God to tell the truth to what you ask? 627 00:38:38,480 --> 00:38:40,240 [Nosetti] You said they were meeting. 628 00:38:41,160 --> 00:38:43,280 And that it was to take care of the lands. 629 00:38:44,680 --> 00:38:46,759 Why did they think that could happen? 630 00:38:46,760 --> 00:38:49,920 That there were people who wanted to take over their lands. 631 00:38:53,800 --> 00:38:56,040 [Barone] How many families live there? 632 00:38:56,640 --> 00:38:58,800 [Hansen] Did you think to defend yourself with something? 633 00:38:59,400 --> 00:39:01,160 [Kassar] On the facts, doctor, please. 634 00:39:05,200 --> 00:39:07,800 [Nosetti] But did you know that those lands belonged to Amin? 635 00:39:11,493 --> 00:39:13,199 [Kassar] I'm going to ask you the direct question. 636 00:39:13,200 --> 00:39:15,640 Why were they gathered there that day, 637 00:39:16,480 --> 00:39:19,960 instead of being at home drinking mate or sowing? 638 00:39:22,040 --> 00:39:23,200 [Beto sighs] 639 00:39:25,480 --> 00:39:28,875 [presenter] Athlete from Trancas, La Higuera. 640 00:39:28,876 --> 00:39:33,639 Coming up with number 20, participant, town of La Higuera! 641 00:39:33,640 --> 00:39:36,880 Trancas present too! 642 00:39:40,880 --> 00:39:42,880 [screams of encouragement in the distance] 643 00:39:45,360 --> 00:39:47,360 [laughs] 644 00:39:51,400 --> 00:39:53,280 [squawks] 645 00:39:54,041 --> 00:39:56,069 - [man 1] Come on! - [man 2] Here! 646 00:40:01,000 --> 00:40:02,120 [bird chirping] 647 00:40:06,640 --> 00:40:08,520 [Tasting] I liked, let's say... 648 00:40:09,040 --> 00:40:11,800 that part of taking... taking photos. 649 00:40:15,240 --> 00:40:17,160 Take flight, little pigeon. 650 00:40:18,880 --> 00:40:22,399 [Cata] Given the case that when I was in military service, 651 00:40:22,400 --> 00:40:23,960 I had several photos taken. 652 00:40:28,320 --> 00:40:30,120 [unintelligible radio dialogue] 653 00:40:35,246 --> 00:40:38,920 [Cata] I wanted to keep a record Let it remain so that it is not lost. 654 00:40:40,160 --> 00:40:42,719 [barks] 655 00:40:42,720 --> 00:40:45,679 I had one of those cardboard cameras. 656 00:40:45,680 --> 00:40:48,920 - [bird chirping] - [flapping] 657 00:40:52,920 --> 00:40:54,799 Nowadays, the telephone helps, 658 00:40:54,800 --> 00:40:58,080 but in the community Not everyone has a good phone. 659 00:40:59,240 --> 00:41:01,040 [birds chirp in the distance] 660 00:41:03,000 --> 00:41:04,840 [unintelligible screams in the distance] 661 00:41:08,280 --> 00:41:11,720 - [bulldozer roar] - [breakage of branches] 662 00:41:15,640 --> 00:41:20,600 This kind of photos I made them so that it is recorded 663 00:41:21,600 --> 00:41:23,999 the time of trouble 664 00:41:24,000 --> 00:41:27,000 that was happening in the community. 665 00:41:29,680 --> 00:41:33,400 How to register the box that Dario Amin had installed. 666 00:41:35,080 --> 00:41:39,795 Chief Balderrama is showing the caution that there was 667 00:41:39,796 --> 00:41:42,439 to ask to leave the community 668 00:41:42,440 --> 00:41:43,920 because they can't be there anymore. 669 00:41:45,880 --> 00:41:47,480 [sapucai in the distance] 670 00:41:49,360 --> 00:41:51,239 [sapucai] 671 00:41:51,240 --> 00:41:53,920 [vivacious sapucai] 672 00:41:55,560 --> 00:41:58,240 [Cata] The people were tired of the trials. 673 00:41:58,960 --> 00:42:03,359 We had to defend ourselves in a way, and what was the way? 674 00:42:03,360 --> 00:42:05,400 Go and file a complaint. 675 00:42:06,920 --> 00:42:10,880 Beyond the fact that they take us the note or they don't take us the note. 676 00:42:11,400 --> 00:42:13,120 If there is no complaint, there is no proof. 677 00:42:16,200 --> 00:42:19,200 Realize that you are... 678 00:42:20,600 --> 00:42:22,560 - [rooster crows] - ...is... 679 00:42:23,760 --> 00:42:26,360 descendant of our ancestors, 680 00:42:27,760 --> 00:42:31,040 It has cost me, yes, it has cost me. 681 00:42:34,400 --> 00:42:36,120 And then I realized, but yes. 682 00:42:36,960 --> 00:42:40,399 We do not come from another place, We don't even come from... 683 00:42:40,400 --> 00:42:44,400 Germany, we don't come from the Yankees, We don't come from Italy. 684 00:42:45,640 --> 00:42:49,960 Our grandparents were born here, great-grandparents, our parents. 685 00:42:50,840 --> 00:42:54,000 We were born and here our children are being born. 686 00:42:57,880 --> 00:42:59,960 [unintelligible dialogue from a distance] 687 00:43:02,240 --> 00:43:05,520 [man] And well, you always have to see the problem 688 00:43:06,240 --> 00:43:09,959 and where to process it. 689 00:43:09,960 --> 00:43:13,559 If in the Interior, Prosecutor's Office, 690 00:43:13,560 --> 00:43:17,200 or in some other institution, as Cadastre. 691 00:43:18,920 --> 00:43:20,880 Well, where does it belong to make the note. 692 00:43:22,120 --> 00:43:24,480 And it is always better that it be signed by... 693 00:43:25,320 --> 00:43:26,559 throughout the community, 694 00:43:26,560 --> 00:43:29,039 but don't stay with that either. 695 00:43:29,040 --> 00:43:32,799 Because if you don't follow it, they immediately put it away 696 00:43:32,800 --> 00:43:36,240 and files that come They are covering it up, they are covering it up, 697 00:43:36,760 --> 00:43:38,800 and then they no longer know where it is. 698 00:43:42,400 --> 00:43:46,279 Days and days of travel and travel. 699 00:43:46,280 --> 00:43:49,399 "Come next week, or the other month, or the other fortnight". 700 00:43:49,400 --> 00:43:54,320 No, I was... constantly following that file 701 00:43:55,560 --> 00:43:58,120 to be able to move it forward. 702 00:43:59,320 --> 00:44:01,080 And sometimes, too... 703 00:44:01,840 --> 00:44:05,159 You have to get him even if it's a chicken 704 00:44:05,160 --> 00:44:06,480 to those who are... 705 00:44:07,680 --> 00:44:10,119 on the entrance table so that you... 706 00:44:10,120 --> 00:44:14,320 They are the ones who handle them the most to the files. 707 00:44:15,840 --> 00:44:19,199 Sometimes they reason because they are employees 708 00:44:19,200 --> 00:44:20,520 and people like us. 709 00:44:22,240 --> 00:44:24,840 There is another thing that is important. 710 00:44:26,800 --> 00:44:28,280 When the other party... 711 00:44:29,280 --> 00:44:31,880 calls you to talk, 712 00:44:32,400 --> 00:44:34,840 That's not good for the community. 713 00:44:35,840 --> 00:44:39,515 because the dialogue, dialogue is important, 714 00:44:39,516 --> 00:44:43,039 but in that too It doesn't suit us, 715 00:44:43,040 --> 00:44:47,280 because if we are going to talk, It is certain that we are going to lose, 716 00:44:48,280 --> 00:44:50,560 because we are going to have to give something up. 717 00:44:51,240 --> 00:44:52,120 In the dialogue, 718 00:44:53,000 --> 00:44:54,560 We're going to have to give something. 719 00:44:55,280 --> 00:44:57,760 And that is giving up part of the land. 720 00:44:59,360 --> 00:45:01,119 - [goats bleat] - [bird chirping] 721 00:45:01,120 --> 00:45:03,040 [Cristian whistles] 722 00:45:07,200 --> 00:45:09,200 [Christian hums] 723 00:45:11,400 --> 00:45:13,000 [Cristian whistles, snaps] 724 00:45:16,680 --> 00:45:17,720 [whistle] 725 00:45:21,840 --> 00:45:23,680 [Cristian whistles] 726 00:45:29,560 --> 00:45:30,401 [bullet goat] 727 00:45:31,800 --> 00:45:33,800 [cans clink] 728 00:45:37,160 --> 00:45:38,760 [Cristian snaps] 729 00:45:40,840 --> 00:45:42,680 [Cristian whistles] 730 00:45:45,360 --> 00:45:46,440 [bullet goat] 731 00:46:05,760 --> 00:46:09,639 [loud-speaker guide] We continue greeting the pilgrims 732 00:46:09,640 --> 00:46:13,439 to the gaucho group from Chuscha and La Higuera, 733 00:46:13,440 --> 00:46:15,919 that came with their images. 734 00:46:15,920 --> 00:46:19,235 A day of family, a day of faith. 735 00:46:19,236 --> 00:46:21,560 [María] My father was from Chasquivil. 736 00:46:22,120 --> 00:46:24,120 My mom was from Rodeo Grande. 737 00:46:25,240 --> 00:46:28,119 I don't know what they would be like Misachico's meetings 738 00:46:28,120 --> 00:46:29,839 who played the Lord of Health. 739 00:46:29,840 --> 00:46:31,439 [drums] 740 00:46:31,440 --> 00:46:33,520 That's where my mom met my dad. 741 00:46:35,000 --> 00:46:36,039 They got married. 742 00:46:36,040 --> 00:46:38,279 [guide] Happy Virgin's Day to everyone. 743 00:46:38,280 --> 00:46:40,235 [drums stop] 744 00:46:40,236 --> 00:46:42,959 [María] This mass is in Anca Juli. 745 00:46:42,960 --> 00:46:44,680 But I don't know what part it would be. 746 00:46:45,440 --> 00:46:47,000 Not even what saint they wore. 747 00:46:49,840 --> 00:46:51,080 There's my dad, 748 00:46:51,680 --> 00:46:54,000 who plays the bass drum and knew how to sing. 749 00:46:55,280 --> 00:46:56,480 He knew how to sing couplets. 750 00:46:58,840 --> 00:47:00,720 His grandparents were from Amaicha. 751 00:47:01,640 --> 00:47:05,640 According to my grandfather, He says he was the son of aborigines. 752 00:47:07,520 --> 00:47:10,520 But my grandmother, Pistan, She says she was mestizo. 753 00:47:12,760 --> 00:47:15,440 We are not really pure, I say. 754 00:47:17,200 --> 00:47:18,240 [bird chirping] 755 00:47:19,600 --> 00:47:21,040 It is the oldest. 756 00:47:23,120 --> 00:47:26,040 It is the first house that they have had in Anca Juli. 757 00:47:29,280 --> 00:47:32,480 It was more like a little shed, It was made of quincha, which are sticks. 758 00:47:35,320 --> 00:47:37,000 My mom holds my hand there. 759 00:47:39,760 --> 00:47:43,039 The women went and asked him let him cut their dress, 760 00:47:43,040 --> 00:47:44,840 a skirt, a blouse. 761 00:47:46,440 --> 00:47:48,800 "I have learned to sew like this," my mom told me. 762 00:47:49,720 --> 00:47:51,839 I put it on to wash and there it looked well, 763 00:47:51,840 --> 00:47:55,440 how do they come to penetrate shoulders, to open crotch. 764 00:47:55,960 --> 00:47:57,319 Those things like that. 765 00:47:57,320 --> 00:47:59,400 - [baby chirps] - [bird chirping] 766 00:48:00,080 --> 00:48:01,960 [María] My mother also knew how to take care the births. 767 00:48:02,840 --> 00:48:04,879 Emergency case, I also decided to attend, 768 00:48:04,880 --> 00:48:06,999 because I attended like three. 769 00:48:07,000 --> 00:48:09,079 - [horse ride] - [bleat] 770 00:48:09,080 --> 00:48:11,879 But I, just like that, let them be born, 771 00:48:11,880 --> 00:48:14,039 cut the navel, those things, yes, 772 00:48:14,040 --> 00:48:17,000 help them until they get out of work placenta, that's all. 773 00:48:18,520 --> 00:48:20,479 [chirp] 774 00:48:20,480 --> 00:48:21,520 That's Silvia. 775 00:48:22,240 --> 00:48:24,560 But she is not a legitimate daughter. 776 00:48:25,760 --> 00:48:28,599 The little mother left her at home and then the judge 777 00:48:28,600 --> 00:48:30,519 He told them to go and... 778 00:48:30,520 --> 00:48:31,920 realize as their daughter. 779 00:48:34,880 --> 00:48:37,395 That's me. [laughs] 780 00:48:37,396 --> 00:48:39,480 [water runs] 781 00:48:40,200 --> 00:48:41,960 "Chuscha" means thick hair. 782 00:48:43,280 --> 00:48:45,240 It's a word... 783 00:48:45,760 --> 00:48:47,479 Aboriginal, they told me. 784 00:48:47,480 --> 00:48:49,360 - [shot] - [barks] 785 00:48:52,160 --> 00:48:54,200 My family has always been visited a lot. 786 00:48:55,080 --> 00:48:56,799 Through the hunters, 787 00:48:56,800 --> 00:48:59,439 He already warned the other one, to your friends: 788 00:48:59,440 --> 00:49:01,919 "Come on, they're going to accommodate you well." 789 00:49:01,920 --> 00:49:03,399 [barking continues] 790 00:49:03,400 --> 00:49:07,159 The hunters always knew how to come with his photo taking machine, 791 00:49:07,160 --> 00:49:08,840 some were the small squares. 792 00:49:09,600 --> 00:49:11,720 They left it for my mother, they gave her gifts. 793 00:49:13,120 --> 00:49:14,720 And that's how friendships were made. 794 00:49:16,800 --> 00:49:17,960 [cockcrow] 795 00:49:18,480 --> 00:49:19,720 There have been six of us. 796 00:49:20,760 --> 00:49:23,479 The eldest, Antonia, Braulio, Luisa, 797 00:49:23,480 --> 00:49:25,000 Francisco, Delfina and me. 798 00:49:26,760 --> 00:49:29,960 My dad, my mom, they knew us teach to converse. 799 00:49:31,080 --> 00:49:32,160 Don't stay mute. 800 00:49:34,000 --> 00:49:37,120 They knew how to tell us that we We were descendants of Indians. 801 00:49:40,080 --> 00:49:41,120 Children of Indians. 802 00:49:44,040 --> 00:49:46,240 And they never loved the Indians. 803 00:49:49,160 --> 00:49:51,760 One was ashamed because it was always... 804 00:49:52,480 --> 00:49:53,560 diminish the person... 805 00:49:55,960 --> 00:49:57,360 by telling her: "You are Indian." 806 00:50:02,960 --> 00:50:05,360 There were problems, my dad told me. 807 00:50:07,040 --> 00:50:09,040 They put him on trial, I remember, 808 00:50:09,760 --> 00:50:12,880 to pay rent, like pasture. 809 00:50:14,200 --> 00:50:16,400 I had to pay with obligation. 810 00:50:17,600 --> 00:50:19,720 The obligation was to work for them. 811 00:50:20,760 --> 00:50:21,840 But they didn't pay him. 812 00:50:23,440 --> 00:50:25,075 And if I didn't want that, 813 00:50:25,076 --> 00:50:26,639 Here it is spoken like this: 814 00:50:26,640 --> 00:50:28,199 This... 815 00:50:28,200 --> 00:50:30,400 "I'll get you a year-old animal 816 00:50:31,440 --> 00:50:32,281 for two... 817 00:50:33,080 --> 00:50:34,240 that have just been born." 818 00:50:36,960 --> 00:50:39,000 So for me it was like a scam, 819 00:50:39,640 --> 00:50:43,919 because I didn't know if those two animals who were born today were going to be raised 820 00:50:43,920 --> 00:50:47,880 and I am giving it to the boss that animal that is already one year old. 821 00:50:49,360 --> 00:50:50,480 [cicada song] 822 00:50:51,360 --> 00:50:54,960 My mom was a person that he didn't like having problems. 823 00:50:56,200 --> 00:51:00,360 So he asked my dad to look for where to move. 824 00:51:01,440 --> 00:51:03,479 [bird chirping] 825 00:51:03,480 --> 00:51:08,439 It has made me very sad leave the place where one was born, 826 00:51:08,440 --> 00:51:10,040 where he was raised, 827 00:51:10,600 --> 00:51:11,560 where he had everything. 828 00:51:13,080 --> 00:51:14,560 Pack it in boxes. 829 00:51:15,720 --> 00:51:18,360 There was no path, there was no trace at all. 830 00:51:19,320 --> 00:51:20,720 Everything was on mule back. 831 00:51:22,200 --> 00:51:24,720 And that took us about three, four months. 832 00:51:25,280 --> 00:51:26,599 [water runs] 833 00:51:26,600 --> 00:51:29,320 That the goats, that the sheep, than the cows. 834 00:51:30,280 --> 00:51:32,800 The herded animals and the chickens were already burdensome. 835 00:51:35,560 --> 00:51:37,480 While the houses were being built here, 836 00:51:39,280 --> 00:51:43,119 cut the adobe, the straw to make the roof. 837 00:51:43,120 --> 00:51:45,039 First a bedroom, 838 00:51:45,040 --> 00:51:47,880 a kitchen like a hut. 839 00:51:50,040 --> 00:51:51,360 All family tasks. 840 00:51:52,760 --> 00:51:54,040 And that's how he puts it together. 841 00:51:59,640 --> 00:52:01,440 Just as you see them, they are all already... 842 00:52:02,480 --> 00:52:03,480 used. 843 00:52:05,120 --> 00:52:07,200 But they are saved. I keep them. 844 00:52:11,360 --> 00:52:13,760 I don't know how long after... 845 00:52:14,880 --> 00:52:17,200 After my life, What will happen to them, I don't know. 846 00:52:19,480 --> 00:52:20,560 I don't know what they will do to them. 847 00:52:27,520 --> 00:52:29,840 [unintelligible dialogue from a distance] 848 00:52:44,000 --> 00:52:48,240 A historian clearly says which disappeared in 1807. 849 00:52:49,560 --> 00:52:50,800 Let that be very clear. 850 00:52:53,960 --> 00:52:56,475 I blindly trust in Justice. 851 00:52:56,476 --> 00:52:57,679 Hey... 852 00:52:57,680 --> 00:52:59,600 And also in the justice of God. 853 00:53:00,200 --> 00:53:01,359 I believe that my son, 854 00:53:01,360 --> 00:53:06,079 after seven years with a psychiatrist, 855 00:53:06,080 --> 00:53:09,640 both of them, not just him, but the other, my grandson... 856 00:53:11,120 --> 00:53:13,119 [Amin's mother] They don't know what it's like for a mother 857 00:53:13,120 --> 00:53:16,759 seeing a son badly injured and in such bad condition. 858 00:53:16,760 --> 00:53:19,799 The lands are totally... 859 00:53:19,800 --> 00:53:25,319 eh... with deed, purchased title in judicial auction of Banco Nación. 860 00:53:25,320 --> 00:53:27,160 They have perfect titles. 861 00:53:27,880 --> 00:53:31,560 That's why I can sign up. as a mining producer. 862 00:53:33,000 --> 00:53:34,120 In 2006, 863 00:53:34,760 --> 00:53:36,800 I offered each one a hectare 864 00:53:37,360 --> 00:53:40,799 with paper and with writing, without being an indigenous community, 865 00:53:40,800 --> 00:53:42,160 and they told me no. 866 00:53:42,800 --> 00:53:46,319 I offered them work in the quarry and they told me that they charged the plan. 867 00:53:46,320 --> 00:53:48,759 They charged a plan 200 pesos per month 868 00:53:48,760 --> 00:53:51,240 and we in the quarry we pay 600 pesos weekly 869 00:53:52,040 --> 00:53:53,600 and none of them wanted to work. 870 00:53:55,120 --> 00:53:58,719 Can anyone imagine that if I want to kill, 871 00:53:58,720 --> 00:54:01,120 I'm going to shoot him on a person's leg? 872 00:54:02,920 --> 00:54:06,279 It's easier to lift 15 centimeters more the gun 873 00:54:06,280 --> 00:54:07,439 and hit him in the abdomen. 874 00:54:07,440 --> 00:54:10,920 20 more and I hit him in the chest, 30 more and I hit him on the head. 875 00:54:12,080 --> 00:54:14,559 Of course: "Who is the author?" "Luis Gomez." Because? 876 00:54:14,560 --> 00:54:17,640 "For this, for that, because it is Attila, because this and that." 877 00:54:20,600 --> 00:54:22,559 [Gómez] Here it will be clear what is the truth 878 00:54:22,560 --> 00:54:24,479 We had a real interest in going, 879 00:54:24,480 --> 00:54:28,399 and I did not go as a hitman, As the lawyers say. 880 00:54:28,400 --> 00:54:31,599 I have real interest, there is an LLC established 881 00:54:31,600 --> 00:54:33,880 between Darío Amin and me before the fact. 882 00:54:35,200 --> 00:54:38,999 They can't tell us that we went with weapons to evict them. 883 00:54:39,000 --> 00:54:41,360 If they were living together with us in that place. 884 00:54:41,880 --> 00:54:44,679 Some were born there, They developed there, 885 00:54:44,680 --> 00:54:46,640 They are still there. 886 00:54:47,440 --> 00:54:48,760 If no one wanted to run them. 887 00:54:50,920 --> 00:54:54,039 Here we are all on equal terms. 888 00:54:54,040 --> 00:54:56,320 So that Indian, not Indian, well... 889 00:54:57,080 --> 00:54:59,199 Hmm? The Vikings were also Indians and... 890 00:54:59,200 --> 00:55:02,280 Now we are going to that country happily. It is the first world. 891 00:55:02,800 --> 00:55:04,120 Thank you, Your Honor. 892 00:55:05,000 --> 00:55:07,000 [unintelligible dialogue] 893 00:55:14,160 --> 00:55:15,560 [inaudible dialogue] 894 00:55:24,000 --> 00:55:26,000 [inaudible dialogue] 895 00:55:29,000 --> 00:55:30,760 [Barone] What did "Campo Amigo" mean? 896 00:55:31,840 --> 00:55:34,119 It was the union of the two surnames. 897 00:55:34,120 --> 00:55:37,599 "Ami" by Amín, and "go" by Gómez. 898 00:55:37,600 --> 00:55:41,880 In order to exploit from that quarry. 899 00:55:43,520 --> 00:55:46,640 And the filming films everything, the entire event. 900 00:55:47,560 --> 00:55:51,319 Not only in the film part itself, 901 00:55:51,320 --> 00:55:53,440 but in the auditory recording. 902 00:55:55,200 --> 00:55:58,639 What was Gómez's threat? "I'm going to go to court," 903 00:55:58,640 --> 00:56:01,880 not "I'm going to pull out a gun" and I'm going to shoot you." 904 00:56:03,520 --> 00:56:04,519 Gomez... 905 00:56:04,520 --> 00:56:09,520 he was already a weapon bearer since 1979. 906 00:56:10,680 --> 00:56:13,360 He is the creator of Grupo Cero in Tucumán. 907 00:56:14,040 --> 00:56:15,675 It's a command 908 00:56:15,676 --> 00:56:18,400 who is internationally trained. 909 00:56:19,720 --> 00:56:22,439 Consequently, calmly, If Gómez wanted to kill, 910 00:56:22,440 --> 00:56:23,640 would have killed 911 00:56:27,600 --> 00:56:29,160 - [shot] - [Amín] What's happening? 912 00:56:29,840 --> 00:56:31,603 - I'm going to piss you off. - [filming stops] 913 00:56:33,560 --> 00:56:34,919 [they move furniture] 914 00:56:34,920 --> 00:56:38,079 They teach us to work different cerebral hemispheres. 915 00:56:38,080 --> 00:56:39,159 What does it mean? 916 00:56:39,160 --> 00:56:40,520 I may be talking, 917 00:56:41,119 --> 00:56:41,960 thinking, 918 00:56:42,600 --> 00:56:44,879 looking, and analyzing at the same time. 919 00:56:44,880 --> 00:56:46,959 Speech goes to a part of the brain, 920 00:56:46,960 --> 00:56:49,119 the thought goes for another part of the brain 921 00:56:49,120 --> 00:56:51,199 and my movements go elsewhere. 922 00:56:51,200 --> 00:56:53,119 If I don't learn to unify 923 00:56:53,120 --> 00:56:55,559 and do two or three things at the same time, 924 00:56:55,560 --> 00:56:58,199 I don't have... [hesitates] 925 00:56:58,200 --> 00:57:00,759 what is needed to be special troops. 926 00:57:00,760 --> 00:57:04,919 Keep in mind that out of 100 people in a special troops course, 927 00:57:04,920 --> 00:57:07,479 Three to five graduate, eight at most. 928 00:57:07,480 --> 00:57:11,515 In that sense, I ask you, Couldn't Gomez have backed down? 929 00:57:11,516 --> 00:57:14,679 walking backwards without losing sight Who was in front of him? 930 00:57:14,680 --> 00:57:16,839 Couldn't he have walked away that way? 931 00:57:16,840 --> 00:57:21,600 Walking backwards is impossible on the ground that I see. 932 00:57:22,360 --> 00:57:25,759 We have a retreat technique, 933 00:57:25,760 --> 00:57:27,560 sweeping with one leg. 934 00:57:28,199 --> 00:57:29,039 If you allow me, 935 00:57:29,040 --> 00:57:32,440 our recoil technique so as not to stumble is this. 936 00:57:34,520 --> 00:57:36,200 [sole squeak on the floor] 937 00:57:40,880 --> 00:57:43,800 - [bird chirping] - [indistinct radio dialogue] 938 00:57:45,880 --> 00:57:47,760 [Gargiulo] Amín turns to Gómez 939 00:57:51,160 --> 00:57:53,159 because he begins to see 940 00:57:53,160 --> 00:57:54,879 that legal avenues go further. 941 00:57:54,880 --> 00:57:56,199 And then, at some moments, 942 00:57:56,200 --> 00:57:58,239 in his head it appears the possibility of solving this 943 00:57:58,240 --> 00:57:59,600 another way. 944 00:58:03,720 --> 00:58:07,199 They don't call here to another engineer, to another geologist. 945 00:58:07,200 --> 00:58:09,560 No, to a retired police officer, 946 00:58:10,160 --> 00:58:14,079 who, at the age of 31, had already started eight criminal proceedings 947 00:58:14,080 --> 00:58:18,999 by illegal coercion, threats, robberies, fraud and aggravated robbery 948 00:58:19,000 --> 00:58:20,725 on two occasions, and very serious injuries. 949 00:58:23,840 --> 00:58:25,560 Gómez summons Valdivieso. 950 00:58:29,440 --> 00:58:31,200 "Today at 4 p.m. is the operation. 951 00:58:31,840 --> 00:58:33,960 Don't tell the mom. Everything shakes me. 952 00:58:34,600 --> 00:58:36,120 But I trust Luis. 953 00:58:39,520 --> 00:58:41,679 But I trust Luis. Four more police officers go. 954 00:58:41,680 --> 00:58:44,120 Don't say anything. You and I know it." 955 00:58:45,480 --> 00:58:47,640 Text message that would have been exchanged 956 00:58:48,280 --> 00:58:49,920 Mr. Amin with his brother. 957 00:58:55,360 --> 00:58:58,119 [Kassar] Do you have friendship or enmity with the parties in court? 958 00:58:58,120 --> 00:59:00,039 I am a friend of the mother 959 00:59:00,040 --> 00:59:02,439 from 35 years ago. 960 00:59:02,440 --> 00:59:04,159 [Kassar] From Mr. Amin's mother. 961 00:59:04,160 --> 00:59:07,119 - And I've known the boys since they were children. - [Kassar] "To the boys." 962 00:59:07,120 --> 00:59:09,840 [Kassar] Do you have any interest in the outcome of the trial? 963 00:59:11,120 --> 00:59:13,920 Let there be justice, nothing more. Personal, no. 964 00:59:17,760 --> 00:59:23,279 [Jorrat] The slabs, were they inside of what corresponded to the Amín family? 965 00:59:23,280 --> 00:59:24,360 [Villalba] Yes. 966 00:59:25,400 --> 00:59:28,959 Me as a surveyor and with my surveyor 967 00:59:28,960 --> 00:59:30,719 we have taken points 968 00:59:30,720 --> 00:59:34,120 and we have determined that was inside the property. 969 00:59:36,480 --> 00:59:38,760 - [Jorrat] Did you see those papers? - [Villalba] Yes. 970 00:59:40,120 --> 00:59:42,639 There were perfect titles to that property. 971 00:59:42,640 --> 00:59:45,360 In other words, I know that they are owners. 972 00:59:48,360 --> 00:59:50,013 [man] Have you seen any houses? 973 00:59:50,880 --> 00:59:53,120 [Villalba] I know he lived people higher up. Yes. 974 00:59:54,960 --> 00:59:57,559 [man] When you say more up, how far away...? 975 00:59:57,560 --> 00:59:59,120 [Villalba] I can't tell you. 976 01:00:02,760 --> 01:00:03,720 I can't tell you. 977 01:00:04,680 --> 01:00:05,842 [man] More or less. 978 01:00:07,000 --> 01:00:10,040 I have no idea. I have not done that analysis. 979 01:00:10,560 --> 01:00:11,760 [Kassar] What do you do? 980 01:00:14,280 --> 01:00:15,840 - Public employee. - Where? 981 01:00:16,560 --> 01:00:18,000 The rural commune of Choromoro. 982 01:00:18,560 --> 01:00:21,159 Tell me if you know and know... 983 01:00:21,160 --> 01:00:24,480 Who are the owners of the property? 984 01:00:25,160 --> 01:00:26,560 Eh... The Amin family. 985 01:00:27,840 --> 01:00:29,000 How do you know... 986 01:00:29,720 --> 01:00:31,600 That this property belongs to the Amín? 987 01:00:32,920 --> 01:00:36,079 I am 47 years old, since I have knowledge, 988 01:00:36,080 --> 01:00:37,920 I know that the property belongs to the Amin family. 989 01:00:39,080 --> 01:00:40,520 But how does it know? 990 01:00:43,280 --> 01:00:45,920 Because of the people, the people themselves say that... 991 01:00:46,840 --> 01:00:49,160 [clears throat] that they are the owners, that Amin are the owners. 992 01:00:50,600 --> 01:00:52,439 Is he the brother of the previous witness? 993 01:00:52,440 --> 01:00:54,159 - Relative? - Brother. 994 01:00:54,160 --> 01:00:57,679 - Brother. What do you do for a living? - Public employee. 995 01:00:57,680 --> 01:00:59,119 Where? 996 01:00:59,120 --> 01:01:02,160 Rural commune of Anca Juli. 997 01:01:03,040 --> 01:01:05,999 I'm going to ask you a question, How, if he lives there...? 998 01:01:06,000 --> 01:01:08,359 You said, "I'm born and raised there." 999 01:01:08,360 --> 01:01:11,600 Is it a choice belong or not to the community? 1000 01:01:13,320 --> 01:01:16,119 I have never been... [hesitantly] 1001 01:01:16,120 --> 01:01:18,360 I have never agreed to share in a community. 1002 01:01:20,720 --> 01:01:24,319 In other words, with the mere fact of living and being born there 1003 01:01:24,320 --> 01:01:26,439 They are not members of the community. 1004 01:01:26,440 --> 01:01:28,239 - I'm not a member. - You. 1005 01:01:28,240 --> 01:01:29,840 - I'm not a member. - And other people? 1006 01:01:32,040 --> 01:01:33,400 Don't you understand my question? 1007 01:01:34,040 --> 01:01:37,199 Just by being born, For example, a child is born, 1008 01:01:37,200 --> 01:01:39,039 are you already a member of the community 1009 01:01:39,040 --> 01:01:41,120 Or do you have to do something to be a member? 1010 01:01:42,960 --> 01:01:45,679 Community member from Chuscha, where I live? 1011 01:01:45,680 --> 01:01:48,439 I am a member of the community because I live in the place. 1012 01:01:48,440 --> 01:01:51,119 But I don't belong to the community of Chuschagasta. 1013 01:01:51,120 --> 01:01:54,080 - That's what I mean. - And do we have to join? 1014 01:01:54,880 --> 01:01:57,519 Do you have to get closer to the activities? 1015 01:01:57,520 --> 01:02:00,280 How to do it to be part of the community? 1016 01:02:01,160 --> 01:02:03,759 Do they have to share what they work and earn? 1017 01:02:03,760 --> 01:02:04,681 I don't understand you. 1018 01:02:05,440 --> 01:02:07,279 As he was born and always lived there... 1019 01:02:07,280 --> 01:02:10,919 I never belonged to the community indigenous people of Chuschagasta, 1020 01:02:10,920 --> 01:02:13,199 who call themselves "community". 1021 01:02:13,200 --> 01:02:16,679 The truth is I have no idea, because I don't know if they will be a community. 1022 01:02:16,680 --> 01:02:17,880 I never belonged. 1023 01:02:19,160 --> 01:02:21,440 Is it by birth or by choice? 1024 01:02:22,360 --> 01:02:24,023 Do you understand what I'm asking you? 1025 01:02:26,080 --> 01:02:27,040 No, no, because... 1026 01:02:27,800 --> 01:02:29,360 by... by... by choice. 1027 01:02:30,120 --> 01:02:31,319 Optional. 1028 01:02:31,320 --> 01:02:32,440 [door opens] 1029 01:02:33,720 --> 01:02:35,840 [man] Uh... Mrs. Chiarello. 1030 01:02:36,400 --> 01:02:38,960 Silvia Chiarello. Silvia Chiarello. 1031 01:02:40,480 --> 01:02:41,920 What do you do for a living? 1032 01:02:42,560 --> 01:02:46,079 I am retired, but I also work in the commune of Anca Juli, 1033 01:02:46,080 --> 01:02:48,679 - I continue collaborating... - Retired from what are you? 1034 01:02:48,680 --> 01:02:50,640 - From the Ministry of the Interior. - Oh. 1035 01:02:51,360 --> 01:02:54,000 Do you know the parties in court? 1036 01:02:54,960 --> 01:02:57,479 [Chiarello] Only to Mr. Amin. 1037 01:02:57,480 --> 01:02:59,719 Do you have friendship, enmity, 1038 01:02:59,720 --> 01:03:03,079 some special interest in the outcome of the trial? 1039 01:03:03,080 --> 01:03:05,400 None. Absolutely none. 1040 01:03:06,404 --> 01:03:07,839 [man] Madam President? 1041 01:03:07,840 --> 01:03:10,399 - Regarding the witness... - Yes. 1042 01:03:10,400 --> 01:03:13,120 ...the complaints that were made against him... 1043 01:03:14,200 --> 01:03:15,680 are in force. 1044 01:03:17,120 --> 01:03:18,959 You...? I repeat the question, 1045 01:03:18,960 --> 01:03:21,159 - Are you a friend or an enemy? - No. 1046 01:03:21,160 --> 01:03:24,359 - Do you have any interest...? - None. 1047 01:03:24,360 --> 01:03:25,759 But I do have to say... 1048 01:03:25,760 --> 01:03:28,119 [Kassar] Is he on trial with any of the parties? 1049 01:03:28,120 --> 01:03:29,879 - Yes, that part is. - Let's see. 1050 01:03:29,880 --> 01:03:34,755 The Chuschagasta community has an open case 1051 01:03:34,756 --> 01:03:37,999 against my brother and against me in the Federal Court. 1052 01:03:38,000 --> 01:03:40,720 - What's your brother's name? - Dante Chiarello. 1053 01:03:41,680 --> 01:03:44,559 Do you have any land issues? with the community? 1054 01:03:44,560 --> 01:03:46,639 Let their limits overlap... 1055 01:03:46,640 --> 01:03:48,840 [Chiarello] No, absolutely none. 1056 01:03:49,360 --> 01:03:52,799 We have all always lived in peace and harmony. 1057 01:03:52,800 --> 01:03:56,920 Each one knows perfectly what were the limits, where were they. 1058 01:03:57,600 --> 01:04:01,239 They have always been good, hard-working people... 1059 01:04:01,240 --> 01:04:03,120 normal, pairs. 1060 01:04:03,920 --> 01:04:05,119 We are all equal. 1061 01:04:05,120 --> 01:04:07,840 So each one to his task, doing his thing. 1062 01:04:08,480 --> 01:04:10,399 But good people, basically. 1063 01:04:10,400 --> 01:04:13,160 And the community interposes the action against you. 1064 01:04:14,000 --> 01:04:17,675 Of... Saying that we were not owners and that we were 1065 01:04:17,676 --> 01:04:20,079 eh, usurping, it was the softest thing. 1066 01:04:20,080 --> 01:04:23,399 From "crapulas", "abusers", "abusers". 1067 01:04:23,400 --> 01:04:26,559 And to me, personally, when I was commissioner, 1068 01:04:26,560 --> 01:04:28,800 Who had voted me to win? 1069 01:04:29,720 --> 01:04:31,560 Who had voted me to win? 1070 01:04:32,080 --> 01:04:33,000 And I have won... 1071 01:04:33,760 --> 01:04:34,840 many times... 1072 01:04:35,360 --> 01:04:37,000 with the vote of the people 1073 01:04:37,600 --> 01:04:42,440 and absolutely transparent my choices, just like in my life. 1074 01:04:45,480 --> 01:04:47,200 [crickets chirping] 1075 01:04:48,880 --> 01:04:49,978 [Demetrio] La Chiarello... 1076 01:04:50,520 --> 01:04:53,800 She was very appreciated by Don Salvador. 1077 01:04:56,040 --> 01:04:58,200 [Cata] He didn't know how to read. 1078 01:04:59,120 --> 01:05:01,320 They made him sign and he signed with his finger. 1079 01:05:03,240 --> 01:05:06,839 And for them, such a person he was easy to fool. 1080 01:05:06,840 --> 01:05:08,520 [bird singing] 1081 01:05:11,280 --> 01:05:13,919 [Demetrio] They make friends, they grab him trust, 1082 01:05:13,920 --> 01:05:17,319 they begin to find out how is the land this, 1083 01:05:17,320 --> 01:05:18,959 who is the owner... 1084 01:05:18,960 --> 01:05:20,680 and when they realize it, bye. 1085 01:05:21,280 --> 01:05:23,240 [bird singing] 1086 01:05:29,000 --> 01:05:30,840 [inaudible dialogue] 1087 01:05:33,120 --> 01:05:34,519 If there is no other issue... 1088 01:05:34,520 --> 01:05:36,240 Yes, please, doctor. 1089 01:05:36,840 --> 01:05:40,799 This defense was not reported at no time 1090 01:05:40,800 --> 01:05:43,675 that a movie was being recorded. 1091 01:05:43,676 --> 01:05:48,959 It is like a circus that we are working for a movie. 1092 01:05:48,960 --> 01:05:52,919 I think it would have been wise that the entire Court 1093 01:05:52,920 --> 01:05:55,640 be aware that it is being recorded a film of the case, 1094 01:05:56,160 --> 01:05:57,879 so that this Don't be taken as a circus, 1095 01:05:57,880 --> 01:06:02,119 but with all seriousness that this audience has. 1096 01:06:02,120 --> 01:06:06,719 Nobody in the Court or in the room gives this judgment, 1097 01:06:06,720 --> 01:06:10,555 that has magnitude different from other processes, 1098 01:06:10,556 --> 01:06:13,719 the quality or treatment of a circus. 1099 01:06:13,720 --> 01:06:16,120 I'll make that clear to you. with complete seriousness. 1100 01:06:17,400 --> 01:06:21,560 It is impertinent to believe that the Court behaves like this. 1101 01:06:22,440 --> 01:06:25,359 We have opening of the room 1102 01:06:25,360 --> 01:06:28,439 according to the law, with an oral and public trial. 1103 01:06:28,440 --> 01:06:30,159 And it is not us who are going to say: 1104 01:06:30,160 --> 01:06:33,079 "I like this press, I don't like this press", 1105 01:06:33,080 --> 01:06:35,439 to give him entry. What's more, I don't know 1106 01:06:35,440 --> 01:06:37,919 the name and surname of the journalists, 1107 01:06:37,920 --> 01:06:39,640 nor what medium they come from. 1108 01:06:40,160 --> 01:06:42,520 [cell phones] 1109 01:06:47,080 --> 01:06:48,080 [door closes] 1110 01:06:57,360 --> 01:06:58,960 [unintelligible radio dialogue] 1111 01:07:01,040 --> 01:07:02,719 [radio dialogue continues] 1112 01:07:02,720 --> 01:07:05,560 [Demetrius] I, in the life I have spent, I have never thought about life. 1113 01:07:09,120 --> 01:07:11,160 And I thought about what I needed... 1114 01:07:12,120 --> 01:07:13,360 to live. 1115 01:07:14,840 --> 01:07:16,119 Not in life. 1116 01:07:16,120 --> 01:07:17,200 Afterwards yes. 1117 01:07:18,120 --> 01:07:19,000 Over the years, 1118 01:07:19,600 --> 01:07:21,759 one has been taking dimension 1119 01:07:21,760 --> 01:07:24,600 of how he has lived and how life has been. 1120 01:07:26,880 --> 01:07:28,280 [they close doors in the distance] 1121 01:07:35,840 --> 01:07:37,960 He worked selling brooms. 1122 01:07:38,520 --> 01:07:40,200 And he also polished. 1123 01:07:41,120 --> 01:07:44,160 Moving from the three pesos, It was already good money. 1124 01:07:45,120 --> 01:07:48,519 I gave it to my mother, and when on weekends 1125 01:07:48,520 --> 01:07:51,995 I wanted to go to the cinema, or there was a circus, 1126 01:07:51,996 --> 01:07:53,400 I was up for that. 1127 01:07:55,480 --> 01:07:59,040 But the one I liked the most, He is the one who made Ben-Hur. 1128 01:08:02,280 --> 01:08:03,520 Charlton Heston. 1129 01:08:06,800 --> 01:08:10,399 - [locomotive screech] - [train barrier sound signal] 1130 01:08:10,400 --> 01:08:15,040 And at nine or ten years old, I have lost my mother. 1131 01:08:16,040 --> 01:08:18,520 So I have been left like a ball without a handle. 1132 01:08:21,480 --> 01:08:23,000 In the room she had, 1133 01:08:23,760 --> 01:08:26,520 I had dug and put a jar, 1134 01:08:27,480 --> 01:08:28,879 and in the evening, when he came, 1135 01:08:28,880 --> 01:08:31,640 he brought two or three pesos I had leftovers, I put them there. 1136 01:08:33,200 --> 01:08:34,280 I started saving. 1137 01:08:37,240 --> 01:08:39,195 As the trains came to the station, 1138 01:08:39,196 --> 01:08:40,840 it was full of vendors. 1139 01:08:41,760 --> 01:08:43,599 If I wasn't selling newspapers, 1140 01:08:43,600 --> 01:08:45,120 he was selling magazines, 1141 01:08:45,800 --> 01:08:47,475 or if not, selling apples. 1142 01:08:47,476 --> 01:08:49,359 [guard whistle] 1143 01:08:49,360 --> 01:08:51,879 I remember that I was around 13 years old 1144 01:08:51,880 --> 01:08:53,279 and I have started peeling cane. 1145 01:08:53,280 --> 01:08:56,280 [train barrier sound signal] 1146 01:08:58,200 --> 01:09:00,239 [journalist] It will mean loss of land 1147 01:09:00,240 --> 01:09:03,399 and the exodus of hundreds of thousands of Tucumans 1148 01:09:03,400 --> 01:09:06,440 what they won't be able to do absolutely nothing in the province. 1149 01:09:08,080 --> 01:09:09,520 [Demetrio] I have gone to Buenos Aires 1150 01:09:10,200 --> 01:09:13,080 after they have closed the mills in 1966. 1151 01:09:14,080 --> 01:09:17,080 That's where I started the pilgrimage to look for work. 1152 01:09:20,240 --> 01:09:22,720 I'm going to a pension, to a lodging. 1153 01:09:23,720 --> 01:09:27,719 Because there are many old houses there, which is cheaper 1154 01:09:27,720 --> 01:09:29,800 but sometimes there are five in the room. 1155 01:09:31,840 --> 01:09:35,280 They come for work and then they stay. 1156 01:09:38,240 --> 01:09:41,040 And I have started working with a Chilean, later with a Tucumán. 1157 01:09:41,920 --> 01:09:45,479 "Hey, bastard, the monkey knows something about plaster, take it, 1158 01:09:45,480 --> 01:09:46,560 "he's out of work." 1159 01:09:47,320 --> 01:09:49,160 "Well, get ready, tomorrow we go." 1160 01:09:52,760 --> 01:09:55,600 What I earned making plaster cabinets 1161 01:09:56,280 --> 01:09:57,520 It was a fortune. 1162 01:09:58,760 --> 01:10:01,840 Of course, I liked it for the money he earned. 1163 01:10:02,760 --> 01:10:04,600 And I have started to like the job. 1164 01:10:06,800 --> 01:10:08,999 - [bird chirping] - [churrero] There are churros! 1165 01:10:09,000 --> 01:10:10,200 It wasn't heavy for me, 1166 01:10:13,680 --> 01:10:16,600 because I had already done work much heavier than that. 1167 01:10:17,320 --> 01:10:19,760 - [children's laughter] - [waves lull] 1168 01:10:24,160 --> 01:10:26,199 I went anywhere with my job. 1169 01:10:26,200 --> 01:10:27,999 - [laughs] - [cumbia music] 1170 01:10:28,000 --> 01:10:31,600 The bigger the town was, I had more work, 1171 01:10:33,640 --> 01:10:35,280 because more works were done. 1172 01:10:41,480 --> 01:10:43,960 And there were some Uruguayans there. 1173 01:10:45,360 --> 01:10:47,115 They always played ball. 1174 01:10:47,116 --> 01:10:48,760 I told them that I was from Tucumán. 1175 01:10:49,320 --> 01:10:51,435 "Ah, this is diaguita," they say. 1176 01:10:51,436 --> 01:10:54,240 - [punch] - [sapucai] 1177 01:10:56,200 --> 01:10:58,080 And that must have been the first time that I... 1178 01:10:58,840 --> 01:11:00,040 I thought if... 1179 01:11:00,680 --> 01:11:02,360 It came from the native peoples. 1180 01:11:04,600 --> 01:11:06,520 [motorcycle roar] 1181 01:11:07,880 --> 01:11:11,199 The problem from 1975 comes: 1182 01:11:11,200 --> 01:11:13,835 inflation, price increase. 1183 01:11:13,836 --> 01:11:15,719 To get out of it, I said: 1184 01:11:15,720 --> 01:11:18,000 "I'm going to spend a month in Tucumán and come back." 1185 01:11:20,160 --> 01:11:23,840 I came alone because, practically, my life has been alone. 1186 01:11:28,040 --> 01:11:29,280 Cirilo Balderrama. 1187 01:11:31,360 --> 01:11:32,320 My father. 1188 01:11:33,160 --> 01:11:35,840 He didn't know where he lived or who he was. 1189 01:11:37,160 --> 01:11:38,600 He sent me half of the cheese. 1190 01:11:39,640 --> 01:11:40,640 I have caught him. 1191 01:11:42,360 --> 01:11:44,720 "Go, meet him, he's your family." 1192 01:11:49,080 --> 01:11:51,079 I was born in Zárate Norte, 1193 01:11:51,080 --> 01:11:53,240 which is in San Pedro, at the exit. 1194 01:11:54,400 --> 01:11:56,079 [motorcycle roar in the distance] 1195 01:11:56,080 --> 01:11:58,200 I knew that area. 1196 01:11:59,240 --> 01:12:00,479 [roar intensifies] 1197 01:12:00,480 --> 01:12:02,915 With the instructions they have given me, 1198 01:12:02,916 --> 01:12:05,760 I have arrived at Cirilo's house. 1199 01:12:09,120 --> 01:12:11,040 It has not been a great ceremony, Let's say like this. 1200 01:12:11,640 --> 01:12:14,480 I shook his hand and that was it. 1201 01:12:18,240 --> 01:12:20,840 I had come to meet him and nothing more. 1202 01:12:22,800 --> 01:12:24,599 But they comment 1203 01:12:24,600 --> 01:12:27,600 who were in trouble with Amin, 1204 01:12:28,120 --> 01:12:31,560 that he charged them pastures, that this... that he took out the animals. 1205 01:12:35,600 --> 01:12:37,799 [drone drone] 1206 01:12:37,800 --> 01:12:41,880 This becomes like the remnant from the La Higuera estate 1207 01:12:42,960 --> 01:12:45,240 which had been, supposedly, 1208 01:12:45,800 --> 01:12:46,920 by Francisco Colombres. 1209 01:12:49,040 --> 01:12:50,239 He stood here and said: 1210 01:12:50,240 --> 01:12:54,480 "Look. The little tree you see there, Go put the marker on it." 1211 01:12:55,880 --> 01:12:57,599 Over there, down the other, 1212 01:12:57,600 --> 01:12:59,880 up, the other, and it was already theirs. 1213 01:13:03,240 --> 01:13:04,920 They behaved like owners, 1214 01:13:05,800 --> 01:13:07,200 but they had no titles. 1215 01:13:11,240 --> 01:13:12,999 [electric whistle] 1216 01:13:13,000 --> 01:13:16,199 A part has been sold several times 1217 01:13:16,200 --> 01:13:18,000 until it has reached the Amin. 1218 01:13:21,800 --> 01:13:24,159 It was 40 years or more 1219 01:13:24,160 --> 01:13:28,280 that people came through notes, letters, 1220 01:13:29,560 --> 01:13:33,599 to the different organizations asking for clarification 1221 01:13:33,600 --> 01:13:35,080 the land issue. 1222 01:13:36,000 --> 01:13:39,039 They were already being subjected to trials, 1223 01:13:39,040 --> 01:13:42,280 threats, eviction attempts. 1224 01:13:43,080 --> 01:13:45,399 They have taken everything I could have, 1225 01:13:45,400 --> 01:13:48,840 such as goats, cows, mares. 1226 01:13:49,560 --> 01:13:51,759 Then it was time to plant. 1227 01:13:51,760 --> 01:13:54,080 They had to take the planting halfway. 1228 01:13:54,840 --> 01:13:57,920 They planted, it's true that grabbed the crops. 1229 01:13:58,440 --> 01:13:59,640 They carried everything themselves. 1230 01:14:00,720 --> 01:14:02,440 They have taken advantage in a big way. 1231 01:14:03,800 --> 01:14:05,840 [cowbell ringing] 1232 01:14:08,680 --> 01:14:10,595 [Demetrius] Cyril, my father, said to me: 1233 01:14:10,596 --> 01:14:12,635 "It has been talked about on many occasions 1234 01:14:12,636 --> 01:14:15,600 with the governor, the Turk Juri, 1235 01:14:16,320 --> 01:14:18,080 who said he was going to expropriate the land 1236 01:14:18,960 --> 01:14:20,360 for the people here." 1237 01:14:22,880 --> 01:14:24,160 They weren't going to give it away for free. 1238 01:14:25,120 --> 01:14:26,160 They had to pay it. 1239 01:14:28,320 --> 01:14:30,000 The expropriation has been made. 1240 01:14:31,560 --> 01:14:34,155 But they haven't even handed us over. 1241 01:14:34,156 --> 01:14:36,200 - [cowbells] - [increasing beep] 1242 01:14:37,640 --> 01:14:39,999 So I started looking for information, 1243 01:14:40,000 --> 01:14:42,239 until for the first time they give me the map 1244 01:14:42,240 --> 01:14:44,360 in the Tax Real Estate Directorate. 1245 01:14:45,400 --> 01:14:48,680 And there I see that all the families from this area 1246 01:14:49,200 --> 01:14:52,680 they appear within government lands. 1247 01:14:53,600 --> 01:14:54,799 Tax land. 1248 01:14:54,800 --> 01:14:55,880 [thunder] 1249 01:14:59,320 --> 01:15:01,560 I already had the ticket for Buenos Aires. 1250 01:15:02,440 --> 01:15:06,400 He could have said: "Let them defend themselves, It's their problem." 1251 01:15:07,400 --> 01:15:09,640 But I felt part of this. 1252 01:15:11,040 --> 01:15:12,440 And I say: "I'm going to stay." 1253 01:15:16,880 --> 01:15:19,280 There is something like it is intangible. 1254 01:15:21,160 --> 01:15:22,200 It's a feeling... 1255 01:15:22,920 --> 01:15:24,880 it has been coming in, I don't know when. 1256 01:15:29,360 --> 01:15:31,840 - [engine roar] - [thunder] 1257 01:15:37,480 --> 01:15:40,360 [folklore music] 1258 01:15:47,040 --> 01:15:50,040 [hums] 1259 01:16:08,400 --> 01:16:10,120 [folklore music continues] 1260 01:16:12,875 --> 01:16:14,915 ["I wasn't planning on falling in love" plays by Alberto Cata] 1261 01:16:14,916 --> 01:16:18,360 ♪ Because I don't want to hurt you anymore. ♪ 1262 01:16:19,800 --> 01:16:23,200 ♪ I kept that lie for a long time. ♪ 1263 01:16:24,280 --> 01:16:28,400 ♪ And that's why I confess to you, woman. ♪ 1264 01:16:29,120 --> 01:16:32,399 ♪ Forgive me if I hurt you one day. ♪ 1265 01:16:32,400 --> 01:16:35,960 ♪ I didn't know what love was. ♪ 1266 01:16:36,960 --> 01:16:40,199 ♪ From the beginning I felt none of that. ♪ 1267 01:16:40,200 --> 01:16:43,800 ♪ Forgive me, my love. ♪ 1268 01:16:45,040 --> 01:16:48,599 ♪ Forgive me if I hurt you one day... ♪ 1269 01:16:48,600 --> 01:16:50,880 [song continues in the distance] 1270 01:16:52,560 --> 01:16:54,600 [thunder] 1271 01:17:03,354 --> 01:17:05,039 [guide] Look there. 1272 01:17:05,040 --> 01:17:08,240 There is a painting there that shows 1273 01:17:08,760 --> 01:17:11,880 when they wanted to enter the city the aborigines. 1274 01:17:12,800 --> 01:17:16,839 They saw how these angels They fought with these aborigines 1275 01:17:16,840 --> 01:17:19,960 so that they would not enter the city and where with some rays 1276 01:17:20,640 --> 01:17:22,680 They threw them to scare them. 1277 01:17:23,480 --> 01:17:26,675 [video guide] Tucumán was populated by different towns. 1278 01:17:26,676 --> 01:17:30,839 They had agriculture, but his desire was the fight, the war. 1279 01:17:30,840 --> 01:17:32,399 They loved to fight. 1280 01:17:32,400 --> 01:17:34,160 It is also said that they were good athletes. 1281 01:17:35,160 --> 01:17:36,639 In those times, 1282 01:17:36,640 --> 01:17:38,999 Northern Argentina was a single province. 1283 01:17:39,000 --> 01:17:40,640 It was called Salta de Tucumán. 1284 01:17:41,200 --> 01:17:44,759 Within that province, There were Jujuy, Salta, Tucumán... 1285 01:17:44,760 --> 01:17:47,759 [man] I see that when I hear him speak, one realizes 1286 01:17:47,760 --> 01:17:50,520 that he is very convinced... 1287 01:17:51,280 --> 01:17:52,121 that even God... 1288 01:17:53,040 --> 01:17:55,560 he wants to erase us completely. 1289 01:17:56,720 --> 01:17:58,920 The same God we believe in today 1290 01:17:59,640 --> 01:18:03,519 was against us, as that picture shows. 1291 01:18:03,520 --> 01:18:05,679 [guide voice continues on video] 1292 01:18:05,680 --> 01:18:08,880 It's going to be difficult for these people make them understand. 1293 01:18:09,680 --> 01:18:13,560 It is regrettable because the Argentine State It has already been formed like this. 1294 01:18:14,760 --> 01:18:18,040 As if to say exactly that we are bad. 1295 01:18:20,600 --> 01:18:24,080 The same community members from other communities 1296 01:18:25,600 --> 01:18:30,315 - they don't believe in God, they have others... - Yes, exactly. 1297 01:18:30,316 --> 01:18:32,560 - Here we say, "another religion", right? - Clear. 1298 01:18:33,960 --> 01:18:36,040 [Demetrio] Joseph was baptized there. 1299 01:18:36,680 --> 01:18:38,200 [folklore music] 1300 01:18:40,960 --> 01:18:45,120 ♪ Forgive me, my love. ♪ 1301 01:18:46,120 --> 01:18:47,080 [music stops] 1302 01:18:48,520 --> 01:18:50,520 [bird chirping] 1303 01:18:53,040 --> 01:18:54,400 [roosters crowing] 1304 01:19:17,120 --> 01:19:20,239 - [Chano] To what degree have they done? - [Hortensia] I have done second. 1305 01:19:20,240 --> 01:19:21,600 And Javier has finished third. 1306 01:19:22,720 --> 01:19:23,920 There was no more degree. 1307 01:19:25,640 --> 01:19:29,040 About an hour and a half we were leaving, walking. 1308 01:19:29,640 --> 01:19:30,800 Just on foot. 1309 01:19:44,600 --> 01:19:47,400 [Demetrius] "What is drawn with the letter 'i'?". 1310 01:19:48,480 --> 01:19:49,360 "Indian." 1311 01:19:50,800 --> 01:19:53,400 "Well, make a person, an Indian." 1312 01:19:55,240 --> 01:19:59,040 Some of us did it standing with the bow, the arrow. 1313 01:20:00,040 --> 01:20:01,520 Another, with the boleadora. 1314 01:20:02,360 --> 01:20:04,995 Some did... The one who was more of a cartoonist, 1315 01:20:04,996 --> 01:20:06,320 on a horse. 1316 01:20:10,360 --> 01:20:14,039 At that time, My mother attended the trials, 1317 01:20:14,040 --> 01:20:15,680 my brothers, the older ones. 1318 01:20:16,600 --> 01:20:19,159 Maybe they were going to come to evict 1319 01:20:19,160 --> 01:20:23,200 and at school they were teaching who has discovered America. 1320 01:20:23,960 --> 01:20:26,240 [Mary] The Holy Mary, the Girl and the Pinta. 1321 01:20:26,760 --> 01:20:29,760 The heroes of the Homeland. [laughs] 1322 01:20:32,680 --> 01:20:35,359 They never explained to us that the true race of us 1323 01:20:35,360 --> 01:20:36,760 she was the aboriginal. 1324 01:20:38,280 --> 01:20:40,280 They have never explained our rights to us. 1325 01:20:48,320 --> 01:20:50,680 [children shout in the distance] 1326 01:20:52,600 --> 01:20:54,840 [Demetrius] It was taught what was in the books. 1327 01:20:56,880 --> 01:21:01,480 What was a country which had been inhabited by the Indians. 1328 01:21:04,320 --> 01:21:07,399 They said little that the Indians still inhabited. 1329 01:21:07,400 --> 01:21:09,079 - [screams continue] - [birds chirp] 1330 01:21:09,080 --> 01:21:10,520 That we were here. 1331 01:21:16,320 --> 01:21:20,200 [Tasting] The swollen river which has been going on for three days now. 1332 01:21:20,920 --> 01:21:24,760 The boys are housed at the Ñorco school. 1333 01:21:25,400 --> 01:21:28,200 They couldn't cross the river. 1334 01:21:31,320 --> 01:21:33,079 [children scream] 1335 01:21:33,080 --> 01:21:37,519 We come from a town that they have hidden from us for years. 1336 01:21:37,520 --> 01:21:40,359 They have changed our history, They have turned everything around for us. 1337 01:21:40,360 --> 01:21:44,119 They have even taken away our form to speak, let's say, ourselves. 1338 01:21:44,120 --> 01:21:45,320 But today we are. 1339 01:21:45,960 --> 01:21:49,639 That's it, that teacher a lot has been sacrificed 1340 01:21:49,640 --> 01:21:52,639 to be able to study and receive that profession, 1341 01:21:52,640 --> 01:21:54,639 and unfortunately it has what to teach at school 1342 01:21:54,640 --> 01:21:57,240 because that's what their role is. 1343 01:21:59,160 --> 01:22:03,559 It may be that it has not been given content from native communities 1344 01:22:03,560 --> 01:22:06,680 because universal history is addressed. 1345 01:22:07,960 --> 01:22:13,159 We have to give a curriculum what the State gives us, then 1346 01:22:13,160 --> 01:22:16,280 the priority nuclei that they give us, That's what we have to give. 1347 01:22:17,720 --> 01:22:21,360 What is happening is that the boys They finish the secondary cycle. 1348 01:22:22,600 --> 01:22:25,200 But depopulation is noticeable. 1349 01:22:25,800 --> 01:22:31,075 And I see a contradiction, like a contrast, right? 1350 01:22:31,076 --> 01:22:32,560 The fight for land 1351 01:22:33,080 --> 01:22:35,435 and, at the same time, depopulation. 1352 01:22:35,436 --> 01:22:38,400 So what are you going to fight for? for a land that you are not going to use? 1353 01:22:41,920 --> 01:22:43,920 [guitar pluck] 1354 01:22:47,077 --> 01:22:48,639 [Hortensia] Yes, we Indians have existed 1355 01:22:48,640 --> 01:22:51,160 and we have the right to live in our land. 1356 01:22:53,960 --> 01:22:55,600 And thus the community began. 1357 01:22:57,240 --> 01:22:59,240 [guitar plucking continues] 1358 01:23:00,480 --> 01:23:03,200 Get, first of all, legal personality. 1359 01:23:04,320 --> 01:23:06,000 Have the document in hand. 1360 01:23:06,600 --> 01:23:07,719 [bird chirping] 1361 01:23:07,720 --> 01:23:09,320 And don't let up. 1362 01:23:12,160 --> 01:23:14,280 Do not abandon our land. 1363 01:23:15,920 --> 01:23:17,400 Dialogue among everyone. 1364 01:23:19,440 --> 01:23:21,000 Listen to one's voice. 1365 01:23:22,040 --> 01:23:23,760 Listen to the other's voice. 1366 01:23:25,720 --> 01:23:27,400 Know where we stand. 1367 01:23:29,160 --> 01:23:31,080 Because history It has to be born from here. 1368 01:23:34,880 --> 01:23:36,920 They say: "I own this part." 1369 01:23:39,000 --> 01:23:41,680 But as I say, the paper Allows whatever you want to put on it. 1370 01:23:44,480 --> 01:23:47,760 For me they were profiteers of the work of others. 1371 01:23:49,920 --> 01:23:52,280 That's what it means Cafrune on his theme. 1372 01:23:53,320 --> 01:23:55,679 ["The Persecuted Payador" plays by Jorge Cafrune] 1373 01:23:55,680 --> 01:23:59,400 ♪ Work is a good thing, It's the best thing in life. ♪ 1374 01:24:00,400 --> 01:24:04,879 ♪ But life is lost working in another's field. ♪ 1375 01:24:04,880 --> 01:24:09,720 ♪ Some work like thunder and for others it is the rain. ♪ 1376 01:24:10,600 --> 01:24:14,719 ♪ The rancher boasts of gauchism and arrogance. ♪ 1377 01:24:14,720 --> 01:24:18,520 ♪ He thinks it's extravagance may his pawn live better, ♪ 1378 01:24:19,160 --> 01:24:23,760 ♪ but that man doesn't know who has a stay for his pawn. ♪ 1379 01:24:25,280 --> 01:24:29,160 [Hydrangea] The earth, it is said like this, "It belongs to the one who works it." 1380 01:24:29,840 --> 01:24:32,600 They may say: "They are lazy, they don't work." 1381 01:24:34,040 --> 01:24:36,960 I say, the people who live with you 1382 01:24:37,720 --> 01:24:41,159 knows how one lives, what is the job one has, 1383 01:24:41,160 --> 01:24:42,520 why he does it. 1384 01:24:44,040 --> 01:24:47,079 And he who does not live, does not know. 1385 01:24:47,080 --> 01:24:49,919 [guitar music continues] 1386 01:24:49,920 --> 01:24:50,920 He doesn't know. 1387 01:24:53,160 --> 01:24:55,320 [bleating and mooing] 1388 01:25:03,040 --> 01:25:04,360 Come, little one. 1389 01:25:10,200 --> 01:25:12,200 [bleating and mooing continues] 1390 01:25:30,840 --> 01:25:33,760 Those are my sisters, Luisa and Antonia. 1391 01:25:37,120 --> 01:25:40,195 The eldest got married and left to work in Buenos Aires. 1392 01:25:40,196 --> 01:25:42,120 He left in 1954. 1393 01:25:43,920 --> 01:25:47,160 Her husband worked in the foundation factory. 1394 01:25:48,440 --> 01:25:49,400 He was a metallurgist. 1395 01:25:49,960 --> 01:25:51,679 [sewing machine motor] 1396 01:25:51,680 --> 01:25:53,960 She worked in a sewing workshop. 1397 01:25:55,640 --> 01:25:58,600 They sent all those clothes here, to Tucumán. 1398 01:26:00,040 --> 01:26:01,880 Heredia House, Gath and Chaves. 1399 01:26:02,520 --> 01:26:03,880 They don't exist anymore, right? 1400 01:26:05,520 --> 01:26:06,400 Good clothes. 1401 01:26:07,280 --> 01:26:08,880 [doves coo] 1402 01:26:09,800 --> 01:26:11,880 My sister Luisa was a Peronist. 1403 01:26:12,440 --> 01:26:13,920 Antonia, too. 1404 01:26:14,760 --> 01:26:17,879 She denied: "In the situation that we are now, 1405 01:26:17,880 --> 01:26:21,039 the last Milanese I have eaten "It was during the time of Perón." 1406 01:26:21,040 --> 01:26:22,160 [laughs] 1407 01:26:25,120 --> 01:26:28,520 "The last Milanese I ever ate It was in the time of Perón," he said. 1408 01:26:29,120 --> 01:26:31,000 [metallic jingle] 1409 01:26:31,840 --> 01:26:35,080 When I left I would have been 13, 12 years, I don't remember. 1410 01:26:35,760 --> 01:26:37,720 When they sent me to Buenos Aires. 1411 01:26:38,760 --> 01:26:40,319 my sister was pregnant 1412 01:26:40,320 --> 01:26:42,400 and I had to take care of him to the biggest little one. 1413 01:26:45,640 --> 01:26:49,640 Diapers had to be washed, the baby's clothes, bathe him. 1414 01:26:52,120 --> 01:26:54,400 And staying there, making him play, that's not it. 1415 01:26:55,000 --> 01:26:57,320 - I don't like. [laughs] - [fair seller shouts] 1416 01:27:00,520 --> 01:27:02,400 Then I looked for another job alone. 1417 01:27:03,120 --> 01:27:04,600 for house cleaning. 1418 01:27:05,920 --> 01:27:07,919 The place was called Villa Urquiza, 1419 01:27:07,920 --> 01:27:09,000 in the capital. 1420 01:27:10,040 --> 01:27:11,359 [barks] 1421 01:27:11,360 --> 01:27:14,439 You had to work three hours in one part, three hours in another, 1422 01:27:14,440 --> 01:27:16,799 four hours in one, two hours in another, and so on. 1423 01:27:16,800 --> 01:27:18,359 [train horn] 1424 01:27:18,360 --> 01:27:22,799 Living running on the bus, by the train. 1425 01:27:22,800 --> 01:27:24,359 [train rattle] 1426 01:27:24,360 --> 01:27:25,800 But he earned well. 1427 01:27:28,240 --> 01:27:30,600 This one was called Clarisa and this one was called Fermina. 1428 01:27:31,640 --> 01:27:33,080 They were from Chasquivil. 1429 01:27:34,280 --> 01:27:37,120 They have left school and they took them to work in the city. 1430 01:27:38,840 --> 01:27:42,120 But they weren't musicians, they took a photo so that they believe that they are musicians. 1431 01:27:43,800 --> 01:27:45,880 [accordion music] 1432 01:27:47,720 --> 01:27:48,920 Guillermina Olivar. 1433 01:27:50,720 --> 01:27:52,120 What a dress, right? 1434 01:27:53,040 --> 01:27:55,920 It has also been raised a little with us there in the house. 1435 01:27:56,520 --> 01:27:59,400 And he went to work at home family, I don't know how it has gone. 1436 01:28:02,120 --> 01:28:03,200 That's me. 1437 01:28:04,280 --> 01:28:08,040 I must have been 17 years old, 18 years old, I don't know. 1438 01:28:09,200 --> 01:28:10,600 He worked in the family home. 1439 01:28:14,800 --> 01:28:18,359 Those who worked in bed, Thursdays at noon 1440 01:28:18,360 --> 01:28:21,320 They were free to make purchases or want to go out there. 1441 01:28:24,360 --> 01:28:27,840 And in the afternoon, return to the night again and keep working. 1442 01:28:30,720 --> 01:28:34,040 The hill has a different shape from working to the city. 1443 01:28:34,880 --> 01:28:37,920 I was a little embarrassed because I didn't know how to clean well. 1444 01:28:39,920 --> 01:28:44,039 Of course, in the countryside it was not customary to have a flat. Now yes. [laughs] 1445 01:28:44,040 --> 01:28:45,040 Not before. 1446 01:28:47,040 --> 01:28:51,035 And the lady comes and tells me: "Good morning, Maria, your payment, 1447 01:28:51,036 --> 01:28:54,000 and you can't work anymore." "Ma'am, why?" 1448 01:28:57,040 --> 01:29:00,200 The entrance door of the house It was white. 1449 01:29:01,440 --> 01:29:03,800 And I didn't know that it had to be cleaned every day. 1450 01:29:05,480 --> 01:29:08,439 "Explain to me well how I have to do it, and I'm going to do it. 1451 01:29:08,440 --> 01:29:09,599 [rooster crowing] 1452 01:29:09,600 --> 01:29:12,440 If you want me to continue working." "Well, I kept working." 1453 01:29:13,400 --> 01:29:15,680 And I already did things to him just like she told me. 1454 01:29:16,920 --> 01:29:19,039 [rulemans turn] 1455 01:29:19,040 --> 01:29:20,200 Francisco, my brother. 1456 01:29:21,320 --> 01:29:23,080 He also went to work in Buenos Aires. 1457 01:29:23,800 --> 01:29:26,080 To the textile factory, Sudamtex. 1458 01:29:27,520 --> 01:29:29,920 He spent about 15 years in that factory. 1459 01:29:31,600 --> 01:29:34,320 He now lives in Chuscha with his family. 1460 01:29:36,960 --> 01:29:38,555 You, Dad. 1461 01:29:38,556 --> 01:29:40,960 - It's me. - Clear. 1462 01:29:42,097 --> 01:29:43,119 Yes. 1463 01:29:43,120 --> 01:29:44,400 It's me. 1464 01:29:46,000 --> 01:29:47,760 - That's me too. - Aha... 1465 01:29:49,880 --> 01:29:51,720 [Pancho] It wasn't difficult to find work. 1466 01:29:54,080 --> 01:29:57,560 Many people knew how to go. Many young people. 1467 01:29:58,840 --> 01:30:02,120 Not only Tucumán, from all the other provinces. 1468 01:30:07,200 --> 01:30:09,560 This man in the white shirt... 1469 01:30:10,640 --> 01:30:12,000 He lived up the hill. 1470 01:30:13,520 --> 01:30:15,680 He worked at the Federal, in Buenos Aires. 1471 01:30:17,720 --> 01:30:19,840 He has been dead for a long time, That's been a long time ago. 1472 01:30:23,800 --> 01:30:26,400 That's a friendly boy, a Corrientes native. 1473 01:30:27,840 --> 01:30:29,240 We have become friends with him. 1474 01:30:36,120 --> 01:30:38,720 They always go to visit each other, to greet each other. 1475 01:30:41,560 --> 01:30:42,640 It is strange. 1476 01:30:47,960 --> 01:30:50,320 [chimes] 1477 01:30:54,880 --> 01:30:56,720 - Aunt Maria. - [daughter] Oh, the aunt. 1478 01:30:58,400 --> 01:31:01,479 [loudspeaker] We have learned That alone is more difficult. 1479 01:31:01,480 --> 01:31:02,999 [daughter] How pretty she is. 1480 01:31:03,000 --> 01:31:06,039 [loudspeaker] We need each other to start building 1481 01:31:06,040 --> 01:31:07,919 the long-awaited national unity. 1482 01:31:07,920 --> 01:31:09,600 [María] I don't like Buenos Aires. 1483 01:31:10,160 --> 01:31:11,400 I don't like the weather. 1484 01:31:16,320 --> 01:31:17,960 This is my sister Delfina. 1485 01:31:18,640 --> 01:31:19,920 Nancy's mother. 1486 01:31:20,840 --> 01:31:23,595 My brother gave her that fabric. 1487 01:31:23,596 --> 01:31:27,555 So from the factory it must be who sold him the scraps. 1488 01:31:27,556 --> 01:31:29,480 That one was pink. 1489 01:31:32,360 --> 01:31:33,280 She died. 1490 01:31:34,680 --> 01:31:38,800 So I raised my son. how I raised Nancy, together. 1491 01:31:41,560 --> 01:31:44,400 I asked to exchange at school knitted garments... 1492 01:31:44,920 --> 01:31:46,360 on account of the fees. 1493 01:31:49,720 --> 01:31:52,040 Now the young girls, Now it's not like that, anymore. 1494 01:31:52,880 --> 01:31:54,879 They don't like crafts anymore. 1495 01:31:54,880 --> 01:31:56,600 - Do you know how to spin? - No. 1496 01:31:57,120 --> 01:31:59,160 Nor knit fur either. And you? 1497 01:32:00,080 --> 01:32:01,040 No. 1498 01:32:01,560 --> 01:32:04,319 - They work in the family home, right? - Yes. 1499 01:32:04,320 --> 01:32:07,680 But they have always treated me well. I've never had problems. 1500 01:32:08,280 --> 01:32:09,359 Yes. 1501 01:32:09,360 --> 01:32:11,680 Now I'm working at Chuscha. 1502 01:32:12,280 --> 01:32:14,600 And I come to my house on weekends. 1503 01:32:15,880 --> 01:32:18,280 - Have you already finished high school? - Already. 1504 01:32:19,960 --> 01:32:21,440 [bird squawking] 1505 01:32:22,320 --> 01:32:23,240 Grandma. 1506 01:32:26,000 --> 01:32:27,480 [Isabel] Because that's life. 1507 01:32:28,920 --> 01:32:32,200 One has learned to walk in the city, to work. 1508 01:32:32,920 --> 01:32:35,400 Houses of judges, houses of lawyers, 1509 01:32:35,920 --> 01:32:40,160 of teachers, professors, doctors. 1510 01:32:41,080 --> 01:32:43,239 When I came of age, 1511 01:32:43,240 --> 01:32:46,760 I already wanted to get out of there and work for myself. 1512 01:32:48,920 --> 01:32:51,079 [folklore music] 1513 01:32:51,080 --> 01:32:54,639 [Isabel] At five in the morning I was going to the cemetery 1514 01:32:54,640 --> 01:32:55,920 to sell flowers. 1515 01:32:57,480 --> 01:33:00,200 Mostly on Father's Day, Mother's Day, 1516 01:33:00,880 --> 01:33:02,200 many carnations were sold. 1517 01:33:04,280 --> 01:33:07,879 And then I took over as a saleswoman from Frigor Helado. 1518 01:33:07,880 --> 01:33:09,440 [laughs] 1519 01:33:13,520 --> 01:33:18,719 [folklore music continues] 1520 01:33:18,720 --> 01:33:21,120 - [Beto] Where is your house? - [Vanina] Over there. 1521 01:33:21,760 --> 01:33:23,720 - [Beto] Oh? - [Vanina] He's over there. 1522 01:33:24,840 --> 01:33:26,599 You can see the little twist here, look. 1523 01:33:26,600 --> 01:33:29,119 - You're right. - [Vanina] Over there. 1524 01:33:29,120 --> 01:33:31,919 You have to go up there, up there. 1525 01:33:31,920 --> 01:33:33,360 And from there repeat all that. 1526 01:33:34,040 --> 01:33:36,320 The journey to go see you, right? 1527 01:33:38,000 --> 01:33:39,479 All that. 1528 01:33:39,480 --> 01:33:46,120 - [folklore music continues] - [they hum] 1529 01:33:57,160 --> 01:34:00,279 So that our children and the others who come 1530 01:34:00,280 --> 01:34:03,159 do not have to pass what we go through. 1531 01:34:03,160 --> 01:34:04,440 - TRUE? - [Vanina] Aha. 1532 01:34:05,000 --> 01:34:07,200 - That would be very good. - We're already together. 1533 01:34:11,880 --> 01:34:13,880 [bird chirping] 1534 01:34:14,600 --> 01:34:16,079 [Vanina gasps] 1535 01:34:16,080 --> 01:34:17,520 I've gotten tired. 1536 01:34:18,400 --> 01:34:20,640 Rest, it's hot. 1537 01:34:21,960 --> 01:34:25,115 - Where do you want us to build the house? - I said there. 1538 01:34:25,116 --> 01:34:27,280 [unintelligible dialogue] ...but stop there. 1539 01:34:29,120 --> 01:34:30,560 Have you seen how the grass is being made? 1540 01:34:31,240 --> 01:34:32,159 Look. 1541 01:34:32,160 --> 01:34:34,359 - [Vanina] Which one? - That's the grass over there. 1542 01:34:34,360 --> 01:34:36,679 Oh yeah, it's dry. 1543 01:34:36,680 --> 01:34:38,560 [unintelligible dialogue] 1544 01:34:39,240 --> 01:34:41,680 But maybe I had thought do a picado first like this. 1545 01:34:42,320 --> 01:34:44,600 And from there, just... all that is filled... 1546 01:34:45,480 --> 01:34:46,640 to be able to lift it. 1547 01:34:47,480 --> 01:34:50,480 Ah, I should go up when they come the school kids. 1548 01:34:51,080 --> 01:34:52,200 From there, from the counter. 1549 01:34:53,640 --> 01:34:55,480 Have you seen? You see all that. 1550 01:34:56,200 --> 01:34:58,839 when they come from school or when they are going. 1551 01:34:58,840 --> 01:35:01,999 I said what we can do two rooms there... 1552 01:35:02,000 --> 01:35:04,960 [indistinct dialogue continues] 1553 01:35:05,840 --> 01:35:07,160 [sapucai] 1554 01:35:12,824 --> 01:35:14,519 [Beto] What? Was there a signal? How far did he go? 1555 01:35:14,520 --> 01:35:16,239 - [José] Huh? - How far did he go? 1556 01:35:16,240 --> 01:35:17,680 [José] Until there, until the churqui. 1557 01:35:18,360 --> 01:35:20,160 - Even the churqui. - Did you get a signal there? 1558 01:35:20,800 --> 01:35:22,999 - Here too. - Does he catch you there too? 1559 01:35:23,000 --> 01:35:24,759 - All that. - But do you get a good signal? 1560 01:35:24,760 --> 01:35:26,799 - Yes, 4G. - [Beto] Oh, 4G? 1561 01:35:26,800 --> 01:35:30,079 - But it doesn't work almost well for me. - [Vanina] You have no credit. 1562 01:35:30,080 --> 01:35:33,000 - [Beto] Don't you have credit? - Yes, yesterday I made a load. 1563 01:35:34,160 --> 01:35:36,599 Have you seen what they say What did you goats see over there? 1564 01:35:36,600 --> 01:35:39,279 -Whose were they? - From Ovando, yes they have left. 1565 01:35:39,280 --> 01:35:41,319 I don't know how much they have done, Only two are here. 1566 01:35:41,320 --> 01:35:42,839 There they go, look at them. 1567 01:35:42,840 --> 01:35:45,040 [drone drone] 1568 01:35:49,000 --> 01:35:51,400 [goats bleat] 1569 01:35:53,280 --> 01:35:54,840 [Jorrat] Good afternoon everyone. 1570 01:35:56,960 --> 01:35:58,920 Can you hear it? Yeah? 1571 01:36:00,040 --> 01:36:01,320 [Kassar] Are you recording? 1572 01:36:03,360 --> 01:36:05,920 - [Kassar] Take the floor, doctor. - Very good. Thank you so much. 1573 01:36:06,880 --> 01:36:09,479 In particular, I will try to be punctual, 1574 01:36:09,480 --> 01:36:12,959 since the day has been long and they have already been told 1575 01:36:12,960 --> 01:36:14,280 many times the facts. 1576 01:36:14,920 --> 01:36:19,119 We come to this trial and we all know what happened, 1577 01:36:19,120 --> 01:36:23,440 and we saw it, we saw it here, be reproduced in Court. 1578 01:36:25,000 --> 01:36:27,559 We have had the opportunity to see pass by here 1579 01:36:27,560 --> 01:36:30,920 people trying to make people see Aboriginal rights. 1580 01:36:31,440 --> 01:36:34,715 I respect a lot the rights they may have, 1581 01:36:34,716 --> 01:36:37,199 but in this case, it is not discussed here 1582 01:36:37,200 --> 01:36:39,799 the right that they might have on land, 1583 01:36:39,800 --> 01:36:42,560 which is not accredited who own the land. 1584 01:36:44,440 --> 01:36:46,800 These people went peacefully, 1585 01:36:47,840 --> 01:36:49,320 They were cornered, 1586 01:36:49,920 --> 01:36:51,680 locked up, besieged, 1587 01:36:52,200 --> 01:36:55,600 for these people that today are identified as "community". 1588 01:36:57,280 --> 01:36:58,879 Who took their weapons? 1589 01:36:58,880 --> 01:37:03,600 Only Superman Cata take away everyone's weapons? 1590 01:37:05,480 --> 01:37:07,999 He, when he does the reconstruction, 1591 01:37:08,000 --> 01:37:10,720 it is clearly seen who says he grabs the gun. 1592 01:37:12,360 --> 01:37:15,919 Delfín Cata can easily be activated the tail of the trigger 1593 01:37:15,920 --> 01:37:18,840 which caused the death of Mr. Chocobar. 1594 01:37:23,200 --> 01:37:27,760 Paraphrasing the historian Carlos Páez de la Torre son, 1595 01:37:29,680 --> 01:37:32,759 In a publication in the newspaper La Gaceta, 1596 01:37:32,760 --> 01:37:37,159 this historian expresses that in the year 1807, 1597 01:37:37,160 --> 01:37:40,399 officially declared extinct 1598 01:37:40,400 --> 01:37:42,480 the Chuschagasta community. 1599 01:37:43,440 --> 01:37:44,520 Did I write that? 1600 01:37:46,840 --> 01:37:49,999 First time in my life Someone tells me that that note 1601 01:37:50,000 --> 01:37:53,559 has had some greater echo for someone to look at her 1602 01:37:53,560 --> 01:37:55,240 someday in the diary. How wonderful! 1603 01:37:57,145 --> 01:37:58,635 That I put it to add a little color, 1604 01:37:58,636 --> 01:38:01,040 because it was a finish in those times. 1605 01:38:01,600 --> 01:38:03,999 But I don't remember from the moment I did it. 1606 01:38:04,000 --> 01:38:06,480 Every day I write, imagine. 1607 01:38:08,240 --> 01:38:09,861 If I had to investigate every day 1608 01:38:09,862 --> 01:38:11,680 to write one of these things, I'm dying. 1609 01:38:17,120 --> 01:38:20,840 They were empty, uninhabited lands, totally unpopulated. 1610 01:38:21,480 --> 01:38:22,321 And... 1611 01:38:22,880 --> 01:38:24,640 We are talking about the Chuschas, 1612 01:38:25,480 --> 01:38:28,800 because they were called Chuschas, not Chuschagasta. 1613 01:38:29,360 --> 01:38:31,799 Eh... it was a place where nothing existed. 1614 01:38:31,800 --> 01:38:34,999 This is directly confirmed in the Volume of Reason III 1615 01:38:35,000 --> 01:38:36,760 of the Historical Archive of the Province. 1616 01:38:37,360 --> 01:38:39,751 Certified and included in the book 1617 01:38:39,752 --> 01:38:42,919 by the writer Perilli de Colombres, that this defense tried 1618 01:38:42,920 --> 01:38:45,439 the writer came from to explain to us. 1619 01:38:45,440 --> 01:38:47,719 [Perilli] I don't need to explain much... 1620 01:38:47,720 --> 01:38:50,040 where does the name Chuschagasta come from? 1621 01:38:52,880 --> 01:38:54,639 It was for the jokes. 1622 01:38:54,640 --> 01:38:58,080 We say "chuschar" when we want to pull our hair. 1623 01:38:58,680 --> 01:39:01,000 And for the Indians their... 1624 01:39:02,040 --> 01:39:04,759 hair was a sample of... 1625 01:39:04,760 --> 01:39:06,679 of pride. 1626 01:39:06,680 --> 01:39:09,639 Then, they were called the Chuschagasta, 1627 01:39:09,640 --> 01:39:13,440 It means "people of hair", of the hair. 1628 01:39:16,000 --> 01:39:20,959 We try to follow the evolution of the land 1629 01:39:20,960 --> 01:39:23,839 since the first owners. 1630 01:39:23,840 --> 01:39:26,639 We are talking now since when the... 1631 01:39:26,640 --> 01:39:28,639 First, there were Indian towns, 1632 01:39:28,640 --> 01:39:33,399 but later, the owners Spaniards and descendants 1633 01:39:33,400 --> 01:39:35,840 and reach as far as possible until our days. 1634 01:39:37,760 --> 01:39:42,080 Because there are many families who preserve those lands. 1635 01:39:50,120 --> 01:39:56,400 The Trancas area was populated with many indigenous groups. 1636 01:39:59,400 --> 01:40:02,160 According to Indian law, 1637 01:40:03,280 --> 01:40:07,640 all Indians had to have land. 1638 01:40:08,720 --> 01:40:10,800 [loudspeaker] Come putting together the party, too. 1639 01:40:11,760 --> 01:40:14,159 The standard bearer, Jacinto Chocobar. 1640 01:40:14,160 --> 01:40:17,839 On the banner, Daniel Mamani. 1641 01:40:17,840 --> 01:40:20,759 Perico Balderrama, Julián Balderrama. 1642 01:40:20,760 --> 01:40:22,839 [applause] 1643 01:40:22,840 --> 01:40:25,720 [indistinct audio over loudspeaker] 1644 01:40:29,240 --> 01:40:33,759 [Perilli] Trancas and Burruyacu were the areas 1645 01:40:33,760 --> 01:40:36,480 defense against the Indian. 1646 01:40:38,960 --> 01:40:41,719 They attacked the rooms, They took the estate, 1647 01:40:41,720 --> 01:40:43,680 they stole women, children. 1648 01:40:44,800 --> 01:40:46,195 They were ferocious. 1649 01:40:46,196 --> 01:40:49,239 [loudspeaker] The gauchos of our country, 1650 01:40:49,240 --> 01:40:50,800 of our Argentina. 1651 01:40:55,600 --> 01:41:00,040 [Perilli] The Indian participated in the fights of independence, 1652 01:41:01,080 --> 01:41:03,000 but it was as if silenced, 1653 01:41:03,680 --> 01:41:05,760 their voice does not appear afterwards. 1654 01:41:18,240 --> 01:41:22,759 In 1808, it is presented a man, Nicolás Molina, 1655 01:41:22,760 --> 01:41:26,640 who claims that the lands be sold. 1656 01:41:28,400 --> 01:41:32,720 The argument was that there was no longer Chuschagasta Indians. 1657 01:41:34,440 --> 01:41:39,280 That the lands were in the hands of lazy people and robbers. 1658 01:41:41,600 --> 01:41:42,919 Then they give the order, 1659 01:41:42,920 --> 01:41:46,320 Let them call the Chuschagasta, Let's see if there were any, 1660 01:41:47,280 --> 01:41:49,440 but it doesn't appear, 1661 01:41:50,200 --> 01:41:52,240 according to the file, no... 1662 01:41:53,080 --> 01:41:55,520 representative of the Chuschas, right? 1663 01:42:02,400 --> 01:42:04,280 [Hansen] We are a republic 1664 01:42:04,920 --> 01:42:08,439 and from the moment that we constituted ourselves as a republic, 1665 01:42:08,440 --> 01:42:10,560 the territories They are already delimited and demarcated. 1666 01:42:11,080 --> 01:42:12,799 We have a Real Estate Registry, 1667 01:42:12,800 --> 01:42:15,959 therefore we have to have a respect for institutions 1668 01:42:15,960 --> 01:42:18,760 and a respect for organisms and records created. 1669 01:42:21,560 --> 01:42:23,999 [Perilli] When the national period begins, 1670 01:42:24,000 --> 01:42:27,319 Indian towns are left out of place 1671 01:42:27,320 --> 01:42:29,520 because it is beginning to take hold individual property. 1672 01:42:32,880 --> 01:42:35,995 One sees writing papers and... 1673 01:42:35,996 --> 01:42:40,280 well, you consider that those papers they legitimize the owner. 1674 01:42:42,960 --> 01:42:45,360 The indigenous did not have them. 1675 01:42:47,240 --> 01:42:49,479 The communities were not protected, 1676 01:42:49,480 --> 01:42:52,280 in that sense, with the documentation. 1677 01:42:55,160 --> 01:42:57,211 [de la Torre] That's what it does that interests me. 1678 01:42:57,760 --> 01:42:59,920 The existence of the documents. 1679 01:43:00,854 --> 01:43:02,799 I'm going to tell you all the studies on the Indians, 1680 01:43:02,800 --> 01:43:04,719 which seem to me to be from a fantasy. 1681 01:43:04,720 --> 01:43:07,879 And about the Indian language: "This word comes from kakán, 1682 01:43:07,880 --> 01:43:11,680 and that there is a kakán vocabulary...". That makes me very depressed. 1683 01:43:12,360 --> 01:43:14,240 [bird song] 1684 01:43:15,120 --> 01:43:16,279 [Perilli] For a very long time, 1685 01:43:16,280 --> 01:43:18,960 here there was no talk of indigenous communities. 1686 01:43:21,240 --> 01:43:24,080 And suddenly they appeared. 1687 01:43:25,280 --> 01:43:28,320 They have emerged claiming land... 1688 01:43:29,400 --> 01:43:31,920 quite violently in some cases. 1689 01:43:32,720 --> 01:43:34,919 Now there is some trouble in Chuschagasta, 1690 01:43:34,920 --> 01:43:36,680 that the chief, they have killed him. 1691 01:43:42,120 --> 01:43:44,800 [Perilli] How would they prove that identity 1692 01:43:45,720 --> 01:43:48,520 of an indigenous community? 1693 01:43:50,600 --> 01:43:52,439 They do not preserve the language, 1694 01:43:52,440 --> 01:43:57,080 they have no identifying features. 1695 01:43:59,080 --> 01:44:01,279 But hey, you have to think that even... 1696 01:44:01,280 --> 01:44:03,759 Even the Indian did not keep his name. 1697 01:44:03,760 --> 01:44:06,000 Let's just think about that. 1698 01:44:08,199 --> 01:44:09,760 [de la Torre] We must write the truth. 1699 01:44:11,840 --> 01:44:14,840 Let's say. What will be the truth? 1700 01:44:17,080 --> 01:44:21,079 That famous movie with Laurence Olivier, The disciple of the devil, 1701 01:44:21,080 --> 01:44:24,759 In the final moment he says: "What is history going to say, General?" 1702 01:44:24,760 --> 01:44:26,759 Then he turns around Laurence Olivier and says: 1703 01:44:26,760 --> 01:44:29,160 "The story is a lie, as always." 1704 01:44:34,760 --> 01:44:36,599 [drone drone] 1705 01:44:36,600 --> 01:44:40,200 [Demetrius] Cyril, my father, He tells me that there was a peach there. 1706 01:44:41,160 --> 01:44:43,280 Grandfather was born there. 1707 01:44:44,600 --> 01:44:48,959 They were pawns who went to work, to collect the property, 1708 01:44:48,960 --> 01:44:52,159 whether for sale, branding, 1709 01:44:52,160 --> 01:44:54,919 to get milk, to make cheese. 1710 01:44:54,920 --> 01:44:57,519 Well, there is the labor, as they called him, 1711 01:44:57,520 --> 01:44:59,080 I did all the work for them. 1712 01:45:00,920 --> 01:45:02,080 That they were Indians. 1713 01:45:03,080 --> 01:45:06,120 Nothing but them They have changed the name. 1714 01:45:06,720 --> 01:45:08,120 They called him "peonada." 1715 01:45:08,960 --> 01:45:10,920 Later they transformed him into a gaucho. 1716 01:45:13,520 --> 01:45:15,399 Everyone who is interested 1717 01:45:15,400 --> 01:45:17,800 they say that the Indians have already disappeared. 1718 01:45:19,680 --> 01:45:22,600 They have all already disappeared, The Chuschagasta too. 1719 01:45:24,360 --> 01:45:26,680 It was a hindrance to them, 1720 01:45:27,400 --> 01:45:29,720 to keep the land, as it has always been. 1721 01:45:34,560 --> 01:45:35,759 - [thud] - [screech] 1722 01:45:35,760 --> 01:45:39,440 [horse gallops into the distance] 1723 01:45:40,560 --> 01:45:43,120 [silence] 1724 01:45:50,720 --> 01:45:52,800 [silence continues] 1725 01:45:55,920 --> 01:45:57,040 [Carrizo] Your Honor, 1726 01:45:58,160 --> 01:45:59,120 do you hear me? 1727 01:46:02,480 --> 01:46:05,920 350 years ago, the Chuschas have been here. 1728 01:46:07,640 --> 01:46:09,839 After the Calchaquí Wars 1729 01:46:09,840 --> 01:46:13,200 They were forced by the king to come to this valley, 1730 01:46:14,200 --> 01:46:16,280 just like the Tolombón and the Colalao. 1731 01:46:18,520 --> 01:46:20,879 They write them down as "Chuchingasta", 1732 01:46:20,880 --> 01:46:22,479 "Chachagasta", 1733 01:46:22,480 --> 01:46:23,999 "Chuchagasti", 1734 01:46:24,000 --> 01:46:25,559 "Chugasta", 1735 01:46:25,560 --> 01:46:26,999 "Chuscas", 1736 01:46:27,000 --> 01:46:28,759 "Chujchas"... 1737 01:46:28,760 --> 01:46:30,280 Or sometimes just "Indians." 1738 01:46:33,440 --> 01:46:36,040 They raise oxen to replace the carts, 1739 01:46:36,720 --> 01:46:39,360 standing animals for food for caravanners. 1740 01:46:41,560 --> 01:46:43,040 Where Route 9 passes, 1741 01:46:43,840 --> 01:46:45,440 before the Camino Real passed by. 1742 01:46:47,080 --> 01:46:50,040 That's where the carts went to the silver mines of Potosí. 1743 01:46:55,080 --> 01:46:58,960 Here it has been said that the Chuschas They became extinct in 1807, 1744 01:47:00,320 --> 01:47:01,879 but in 1807, 1745 01:47:01,880 --> 01:47:04,680 the Chuschas are paying rent to a certain Alurralde. 1746 01:47:06,200 --> 01:47:08,440 They were charged without the king's permission. 1747 01:47:10,840 --> 01:47:13,320 The Cabildo gets the Alurralde out of there. 1748 01:47:15,360 --> 01:47:17,839 His descendants, surnamed Colombres, 1749 01:47:17,840 --> 01:47:19,799 they were gathering papers: 1750 01:47:19,800 --> 01:47:23,520 wills, measurements, sales between relatives. 1751 01:47:24,920 --> 01:47:26,239 They are bolder. 1752 01:47:26,240 --> 01:47:29,840 They say that an Alurralde He has left them that land as an inheritance. 1753 01:47:31,120 --> 01:47:33,320 They call it "Estancia La Higuera." 1754 01:47:34,600 --> 01:47:37,200 And they continue to charge rent to the Chuschas families. 1755 01:47:40,520 --> 01:47:43,639 Cooks are registered, washerwomen, laborers, 1756 01:47:43,640 --> 01:47:49,560 Last name Balderrama, Mamani, Cata, Vargas, Pistán, Chocobar. 1757 01:47:50,760 --> 01:47:52,600 They no longer appear as Chuschas. 1758 01:47:53,360 --> 01:47:55,360 [drone drone] 1759 01:47:57,040 --> 01:48:00,400 Los Colombres sell a part of the land. 1760 01:48:01,240 --> 01:48:04,840 That is the one that reached the Amín family in 1959. 1761 01:48:07,320 --> 01:48:10,555 The Chuschas write to the government of Tucumán 1762 01:48:10,556 --> 01:48:13,000 so that it can be seen the situation of their lands. 1763 01:48:13,560 --> 01:48:15,360 [wind blows] 1764 01:48:16,120 --> 01:48:18,840 This alerts the Colombres. 1765 01:48:19,400 --> 01:48:20,840 They need a piece of paper. 1766 01:48:23,200 --> 01:48:25,920 What do Colombres present? as evidence to the judge? 1767 01:48:28,040 --> 01:48:31,240 Rent receipts of the chuschas families, Your Honor. 1768 01:48:33,480 --> 01:48:36,120 See then, the story of property in this valley. 1769 01:48:39,560 --> 01:48:42,200 Governor Juri expropriated Colombres. 1770 01:48:43,600 --> 01:48:45,960 It seems like good news for the Chuschas families. 1771 01:48:47,200 --> 01:48:48,160 But you'll see. 1772 01:48:51,280 --> 01:48:53,959 Colombres charges a large sum of money 1773 01:48:53,960 --> 01:48:55,400 for that expropriation. 1774 01:48:56,760 --> 01:48:59,120 Amín and a neighbor, Critto, 1775 01:48:59,720 --> 01:49:02,040 they advance on the expropriated land. 1776 01:49:04,840 --> 01:49:06,275 A certain Araujo, 1777 01:49:06,276 --> 01:49:09,715 and the official Chiarello and his brother Dante, 1778 01:49:09,716 --> 01:49:13,400 they say they own the land from the community member Salvador Cata. 1779 01:49:17,800 --> 01:49:19,919 To which institution of the republic 1780 01:49:19,920 --> 01:49:22,440 do you care if the property is legitimate? 1781 01:49:24,000 --> 01:49:26,000 [bird chirping] 1782 01:49:26,880 --> 01:49:29,520 There are things that are sad, Your Honor. 1783 01:49:30,720 --> 01:49:33,680 The accused and their main witnesses, 1784 01:49:34,280 --> 01:49:37,759 and all supposed owners on this territory 1785 01:49:37,760 --> 01:49:41,560 they have or have had positions in the government of Tucumán. 1786 01:49:42,560 --> 01:49:44,040 Except the Chuschas. 1787 01:49:46,040 --> 01:49:49,115 The Chuschas have spent years doing paperwork, 1788 01:49:49,116 --> 01:49:51,999 writing letters, waiting in hallways, 1789 01:49:52,000 --> 01:49:53,679 at entrance tables, 1790 01:49:53,680 --> 01:49:56,680 respecting like no one else the institutions of this country. 1791 01:49:59,920 --> 01:50:02,999 The republic has respected more the colony papers 1792 01:50:03,000 --> 01:50:04,600 than to the Argentine citizens. 1793 01:50:10,040 --> 01:50:11,720 Do you believe in God, Your Honor? 1794 01:50:12,400 --> 01:50:13,680 [cicada singing] 1795 01:50:14,520 --> 01:50:16,680 Is God seeing all this? 1796 01:50:24,080 --> 01:50:25,440 [Isabel] Don't be afraid. 1797 01:50:26,400 --> 01:50:28,840 Don't be bad because nothing is going to be done to you. 1798 01:50:31,480 --> 01:50:32,839 Don't be afraid. 1799 01:50:32,840 --> 01:50:35,959 Don't be afraid. Nothing is going to happen to him. 1800 01:50:35,960 --> 01:50:37,720 He's with his mom. 1801 01:50:40,960 --> 01:50:43,640 [Demetrius] Those who played the film, 1802 01:50:44,200 --> 01:50:46,000 they were Christians 1803 01:50:47,200 --> 01:50:51,160 and they suffered from the imperialism of the Romans. 1804 01:50:52,320 --> 01:50:55,400 - [Cata] Was Ben-Hur was it? - [Demetrius] Ben-Hur, yes. 1805 01:50:57,680 --> 01:50:59,760 Translating it to our times, 1806 01:51:00,320 --> 01:51:01,880 the members of our towns 1807 01:51:02,600 --> 01:51:04,840 they have suffered something similar to that. 1808 01:51:06,840 --> 01:51:09,280 For them it had more value the life of a mule 1809 01:51:09,840 --> 01:51:10,800 than a human being. 1810 01:51:11,800 --> 01:51:13,640 Because they had to buy the mule. 1811 01:51:17,920 --> 01:51:21,480 The movie showed the thread of the empire. 1812 01:51:23,480 --> 01:51:24,920 Many empires have fallen, 1813 01:51:25,880 --> 01:51:28,240 and today other empires are being created. 1814 01:51:32,480 --> 01:51:35,960 That is the essential meaning of the film. 1815 01:51:37,800 --> 01:51:39,880 It has awakened a feeling in me 1816 01:51:40,480 --> 01:51:41,840 towards ourselves. 1817 01:51:42,400 --> 01:51:44,720 [hum] 1818 01:51:47,640 --> 01:51:50,480 [Isabel] Of all those colors I am the owner. 1819 01:51:52,640 --> 01:51:53,760 Don't be afraid. 1820 01:51:54,680 --> 01:51:57,040 I love them all. I love them all. 1821 01:51:59,759 --> 01:52:00,600 Don't be afraid. 1822 01:52:01,600 --> 01:52:02,920 He is with his mother. 1823 01:52:08,280 --> 01:52:10,480 [bugle call] 1824 01:52:11,160 --> 01:52:12,840 [remote control beep] 1825 01:52:16,280 --> 01:52:17,720 [microphone coupling] 1826 01:52:22,280 --> 01:52:23,759 [bugle blast continues] 1827 01:52:23,760 --> 01:52:26,129 [indistinct screams in the distance] 1828 01:52:26,130 --> 01:52:28,483 - [woman screams] Javier Chocobar! - [crowd] Present! 1829 01:52:29,640 --> 01:52:31,999 [microphone coupling] 1830 01:52:32,000 --> 01:52:35,360 [speaker interference] 1831 01:52:37,560 --> 01:52:40,720 [crowd bustle in the distance] 1832 01:52:51,560 --> 01:52:54,360 [inaudible dialogue] 1833 01:53:13,120 --> 01:53:14,840 [microphone coupling] 1834 01:53:27,160 --> 01:53:30,839 [secretary] Unanimously, the Court resolves: 1835 01:53:30,840 --> 01:53:33,159 Condemn Darío Luis Amin 1836 01:53:33,160 --> 01:53:35,719 considering him responsible author 1837 01:53:35,720 --> 01:53:39,795 of the crime of aggravated homicide for the use of a firearm, 1838 01:53:39,796 --> 01:53:43,200 sentencing him to 22 years in prison. 1839 01:53:43,840 --> 01:53:47,959 Condemn Luis Humberto Gómez, secondary participant, 1840 01:53:47,960 --> 01:53:49,640 to 18 years in prison. 1841 01:53:50,680 --> 01:53:54,919 Condemn Eduardo José del Milagro Valdivieso Sassi. 1842 01:53:54,920 --> 01:53:56,240 Ten years in prison. 1843 01:53:58,960 --> 01:54:01,520 [tension music] 1844 01:54:02,720 --> 01:54:04,720 [microphone interference] 1845 01:54:05,880 --> 01:54:08,600 [unintelligible cheers and screams in the distance] 1846 01:54:09,480 --> 01:54:12,759 [woman] You should never abandon the popular struggle! 1847 01:54:12,760 --> 01:54:15,160 [cheers and applause] 1848 01:54:17,000 --> 01:54:18,559 [woman 1] Javier Chocobar! 1849 01:54:18,560 --> 01:54:20,919 [woman 2] Justice for Javier Chocobar! 1850 01:54:20,920 --> 01:54:23,039 [crowd] Justice! 1851 01:54:23,040 --> 01:54:30,719 - [woman] Javier Chocobar! - [crowd] Present! 1852 01:54:30,720 --> 01:54:32,919 - [woman] Now! - [crowd] And always! 1853 01:54:32,920 --> 01:54:35,200 [bugle call] 1854 01:54:35,920 --> 01:54:37,440 [cowbell jingling] 1855 01:54:38,560 --> 01:54:40,560 [insect cooing] 1856 01:54:47,240 --> 01:54:49,240 [engine roar] 1857 01:55:13,960 --> 01:55:16,960 [María] Cinema, I don't know, I don't think I've ever been to a movie theater. 1858 01:55:21,720 --> 01:55:24,159 Yes the radio, but we have started to meet her, 1859 01:55:24,160 --> 01:55:27,880 what do I know, in 1963, 1964. 1860 01:55:31,960 --> 01:55:34,040 And television recently. 1861 01:55:35,600 --> 01:55:37,240 A few years ago. 1862 01:55:53,880 --> 01:55:56,239 [Aurelio] Surely, our generation 1863 01:55:56,240 --> 01:55:58,440 will continue fighting with hope 1864 01:55:59,480 --> 01:56:03,559 that there are all people working for the good 1865 01:56:03,560 --> 01:56:04,800 of humanity. 1866 01:56:06,280 --> 01:56:09,920 How beautiful this world could be 1867 01:56:10,440 --> 01:56:12,400 yes all of us 1868 01:56:13,280 --> 01:56:16,920 we would look at the wonder that we are as human beings, 1869 01:56:18,680 --> 01:56:22,920 when we sing, we smile, we make music, 1870 01:56:24,040 --> 01:56:28,958 when we look into the eyes of a wonderful person, 1871 01:56:28,959 --> 01:56:30,480 what that being is. 1872 01:56:32,720 --> 01:56:36,480 But how sad is that that destroys, that kills, that destroys. 1873 01:56:37,760 --> 01:56:40,600 I believe that, if they find another planet in the universe, 1874 01:56:41,200 --> 01:56:42,440 they would also tear it to pieces. 1875 01:56:46,520 --> 01:56:49,800 [barks] 1876 01:57:25,080 --> 01:57:28,640 [folklore music plays] 1877 01:59:13,560 --> 01:59:16,040 [music continues] 1878 02:00:08,640 --> 02:00:13,360 - [music stops] - [crickets chirping] 1879 02:00:32,120 --> 02:00:34,680 [owl hoot] 1880 02:01:00,320 --> 02:01:05,160 [crickets chirping continues]